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[–] [S] 18 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I've looked into it a fair bit, the tldr is they flew in Florida during awful storms. They had icing and tried to get over the top of a really high storm. It's a big no no in flying and sadly they crashed.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago

    I have a friend that used to work in aviation doing retro fitting, they would say "all it takes to become a test pilot is to take the airplane past its defined limits" meaning that anywhere beyond those limits they don't know how the aircraft will behave.

    Going beyond the intended flight ceiling is a big no no because it changes a lot of other parameters like stall speeds and angles.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    I'm real curious to know what che deal is with the rear elevator ripping off though. Mechanical failure or failure due to massive forces bing applied.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    When you fly an airframe at higher than intended altitudes there is a shift in the actual force of air flowing over the wing.

    Wings need airflow over the wing to generate lift, and you can induce a stall in enough airflow over the wing even going very fast, if high enough.

    Worse, there are speed limits to the airframe design, and as you go higher the stall speed and the overspeed speed become closer and closer together. The way the jet was flown these parameters would have been within a few dozen KPH of another.

    A bank or turbulence or small deviation could then easily push the aircraft into either limit and past it.

    When this happens loss of control can occur due to buffeting or ovulations of the control surfaces in an overspeed event. An original stall at too high an altitude could cause a loss of altitude but increased speed at a high angle of attack, again creating overspeed conditions with nose down.

    The result in either limit being exceeded results directly in a follow on overspeed that rips the rear of the airplane control surface off, making recovery and flight impossible.

    This is a classic and well defined flight parameters problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago*

    as you go higher the stall speed and the overspeed speed become closer and closer together

    fascinating!

    it's been a long time since I exercised my pilot cert so I'm very rusty with my aviation science, but I'd've guessed that lower air density meant less drag and less stress on the airframe, and I'd've assumed that the wings losing lift from too little air flow would correlate pretty closely with the forces that cause overspeed

    how does it work that an airframe's max rated airspeed doesn't change at the same rate as a level flight stall speed?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    entirely conjecture at this point, but:

    according to Captain Steeeve (a recently retired military and airline pilot) over on youtube, this same plane experienced several minutes of extreme turbulence a year or so back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtA657zwqBI

    the implication being that the airframe may have suffered enough stress from that extreme turbulence that it contributed to this crash, elevator separation feels like it would fit

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