well, I beg to differ. if you're nice they think you're weak. you can be logical and try to explain but you can't string multiple ideas together without triggering defensiveness.

I guess you can start a cult/clique but that feels way grosser and less morally okay than people spitting on and punching each other.

shame doesn't make people do things, but it does make them stop doing things.

shame as a social tool to control public opinion is an incredible power that is hardly used in western societies.

in Japan public public shame is so powerful it will make people literally kill themselves.

only an idiot would think shame doesn't form public opinion.