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Proton replacement, your best suggestions! (jlai.lu)
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Edit: I made a mistake, I meant to add Mailfence instead of Fastmail, but forgot to update both the icon and text

Hey everyone, here's a follow up to my previous post, I tried to summarize all your suggestions and these are the options I have for the main Proton products I've been using.

I removed Bitwarden based on your feedback (basically they're enshittifying).

I'm not including Tuta, because I dislike their UX/UI, also they seem to not apply their LLM policy to their own devs.

I'm not including Mullvlad, because of one of the founder's donation to a far right political party in Sweden, said founder has a blog post to justify this, which links to another blog post where he claims to be a libertarian anarchist which is just another word for Ancaps which is a dealbreaker for me.

A lot of people recommended using one's own domain for email stuff, I forgot to mention I do have a custom domain, which will make migrating a lot easier indeed. Just need to update my accounts credentials.

Let me know what you think!

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[–] -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago) (1 child)

@inlandempire@jlai.lu , I think you may be inadvertently making a mistake excluding mullvad and bitwarden.

Mullvad is an excellent vpn service that provides unparalleled security, privacy and anonymity. If security, anonymity or privacy could have an effect on your safety then consider weighing that safety against your concerns about its founders political donations.

I currently have active subscriptions to mullvad, windscribe, proton, ivpn and airvpn. If I had to go down to one it would be mullvad, if I had to go down to two I’d add air for piracy.

Windscribe is the one I won’t be renewing. It’s complex, confusing, frankly expensive for what you get, has an awful app and config file generator, constantly seems to radiate incompetence and I think their style in general is cringey.

Proton is what you’re leaving and to be honest I’m probably gonna replace it with Nord. It’s “fine” but I can’t effectively automate its use on headless systems so it’s gotta go.

Ivpn is pretty good with a couple of caveats: it’s still possible to screw up and make an account with pii that the company can be forced to divulge, there are many examples of this vector causing people problems with other services. The company has not faced the same scrutiny as mullvad, however that’s a very high bar. What truly is a dealbreaker is how few servers & locations ivpn has and how not great the speeds are.

Airvpn is a piracy service. Theres no two ways about it and it’s great for that. I wouldnt bet my life on it but it sure does allow port forwarding at a decent price!

Mullvad in comparison is simple, reasonably priced, has plenty of servers and locations with good speed, has the best vpn apps I’ve seen, you literally can’t make an account that’s not anonymous and has passed the most intense possible scrutiny I know of for a vpn.

If your life or freedom depends on it, you should pick mullvad.

Many companies with some tie to politics I disagree with produce extremely high quality products and services that I rely on. It is particularly hard to avoid in the gun market but is certainly present in security as well.

Of course if the vpn is for getting past the company firewall so you can look at pornography on company WiFi or something, feel free to disregard this.

I brought up bitwarden but I’m tired of tippa tapping out a post so just imagine an equally long description of how it’s good and the problems always seem to turn out to be overblown.

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