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Kwame Ture the pitfalls of liberalism (lemmy.ml)
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[+] -11 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Violence can be a very effective political tool. It can also backfire horrifically. History is littered with revolutions that failed, or led to worse outcomes than what started the revolt in the first place.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 days ago* (6 children)

    History is also littered with the even-worse consequences of not trying, such as our western cowardice and complicity resulting in the Gaza genocide.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    And the civil war would have been a lot different if the escape slaves had started burning farms in the North. I'm just saying indiscriminate violence will hurt a cause as much as failing to support it. If Luigi had bombed the hotel, rather than shot one insurance exec, he wouldn't be seeing the public support he has.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 days ago*

    Yeah good thing we live in the real world where none of that happened. Seriously there is something wrong with liberals fundamentally. I used to think it was just the liberalism but yall are fuuucking broken

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  • [–] 14 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    Sure, in the alternate realities where the oppressed directed their violence randomly at everybody like hostile NPCs, that would be bad. But in the reality we inhabit, we have seen time and time again that they have used violence very effectively and selectively to achieve liberation.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 days ago

    Exactly. It's a common lib trope that all the superhero movies play into where everyone who want to improve society somewhat is a supervillain. Libs see the oppression but fear the victims more than the oppressors. They fear for their own little privilege in the hierarchy they fully recognize as unjust.

    The truth is, they aren't against violence at all. They just choose to punch down rather than up. They choose the easy path and I think, at some level, they know they're choosing evil (according to their own standards even). They invent all those bullshit excuses to cope with their own cognitive dissonance. That's why they hold on to a logically indefensible position and get lost in contradictions.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago

    You're fighting with ghosts here, no one is promoting senseless and undirected violence. But the system as it is is violent, it kills. And putting an end to it will also require violence, too.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago*

    Yeah, if a person did bad things rather than good, other people would like him less. Don't go swimming in any pool or large body of water, you can't breathe water and almost certainly will drown since you are seemingly incapable of discerning between air and water.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    the assumption that political violence must mean dead or maimed people says something about the people saying.

    back in 2017, the mexican threw a couple bricks and broke a couple windows like americans used to do during the civil rights era and they ended up getting president Shienbaum because of it -- meanwhile our aversion gave us trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    Absolutely, some of the most effective violence has been entirely aimed at property. In most cases causing collateral damage hurts the goal of political violence more than it helps. Because the main way it's effective is with public support. Start hitting stray civilians and you can forget public sympathy.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 days ago

    Yes, ideally only the morally correct and righteous causes would justify the use of violence, but unfortunately it's also the misguided, misunderstood, or misrepresented causes that also justify violence. People want to use quotes like this to justify THEIR desire for violence, but sometimes their causes are just bad.

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