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[+] dreamy@lemmy.ml [S] -6 points 4 days ago (10 children) I prefer dumb right-wingers over intelligent ones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] frigge@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 days ago (9 children) dump is always worse. It is chaotic, self destructive and pulls everything and everyone further down more quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (8 children) You are making a clear case for his being allowed to continue vandalizing the american empire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] frigge@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago fair point. I think however that the trajectory the USA is on would not have changed significantly even with the Democrats in power and the world would have maybe avoided at least a few tragedies. Not the big one in Palestine, obviously. Everyone seems to be on board with that one. But i don't know, to be honest with you. I just hope that that whole shit is over sooner rather than later ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 days ago (6 children) The downside is that, when the american empire flails, it hurts others too :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) It hurts others when it's successful as well. Arguably way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago Oh, total agreement there. I'm not saying that the American empire shouldn't die, just that it will cause damage when it does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children) That's true, a wounded animal lashes out. But these death throes, as dramatic as they are, are still so much less deadly than business as usual. It's like the last set of nazis: putting them down did require incredible violence, but nowhere near as much violence as they would have visited on the world otherwise. I won't lie about the situation, the capitalism is late-stage and all over our body. Our only choices are the pain of surgery or an agonizing death by cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children) Absolutely. I still want to see America go down, but it will have negative external consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state's terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you'd be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frigge@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 days ago (9 children) dump is always worse. It is chaotic, self destructive and pulls everything and everyone further down more quickly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (8 children) You are making a clear case for his being allowed to continue vandalizing the american empire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] frigge@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago fair point. I think however that the trajectory the USA is on would not have changed significantly even with the Democrats in power and the world would have maybe avoided at least a few tragedies. Not the big one in Palestine, obviously. Everyone seems to be on board with that one. But i don't know, to be honest with you. I just hope that that whole shit is over sooner rather than later ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 days ago (6 children) The downside is that, when the american empire flails, it hurts others too :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) It hurts others when it's successful as well. Arguably way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago Oh, total agreement there. I'm not saying that the American empire shouldn't die, just that it will cause damage when it does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children) That's true, a wounded animal lashes out. But these death throes, as dramatic as they are, are still so much less deadly than business as usual. It's like the last set of nazis: putting them down did require incredible violence, but nowhere near as much violence as they would have visited on the world otherwise. I won't lie about the situation, the capitalism is late-stage and all over our body. Our only choices are the pain of surgery or an agonizing death by cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children) Absolutely. I still want to see America go down, but it will have negative external consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state's terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you'd be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 days ago* (8 children) You are making a clear case for his being allowed to continue vandalizing the american empire permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] frigge@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago fair point. I think however that the trajectory the USA is on would not have changed significantly even with the Democrats in power and the world would have maybe avoided at least a few tragedies. Not the big one in Palestine, obviously. Everyone seems to be on board with that one. But i don't know, to be honest with you. I just hope that that whole shit is over sooner rather than later ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 days ago (6 children) The downside is that, when the american empire flails, it hurts others too :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) It hurts others when it's successful as well. Arguably way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago Oh, total agreement there. I'm not saying that the American empire shouldn't die, just that it will cause damage when it does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children) That's true, a wounded animal lashes out. But these death throes, as dramatic as they are, are still so much less deadly than business as usual. It's like the last set of nazis: putting them down did require incredible violence, but nowhere near as much violence as they would have visited on the world otherwise. I won't lie about the situation, the capitalism is late-stage and all over our body. Our only choices are the pain of surgery or an agonizing death by cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children) Absolutely. I still want to see America go down, but it will have negative external consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state's terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you'd be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frigge@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago fair point. I think however that the trajectory the USA is on would not have changed significantly even with the Democrats in power and the world would have maybe avoided at least a few tragedies. Not the big one in Palestine, obviously. Everyone seems to be on board with that one. But i don't know, to be honest with you. I just hope that that whole shit is over sooner rather than later ... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 days ago (6 children) The downside is that, when the american empire flails, it hurts others too :( permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) It hurts others when it's successful as well. Arguably way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago Oh, total agreement there. I'm not saying that the American empire shouldn't die, just that it will cause damage when it does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children) That's true, a wounded animal lashes out. But these death throes, as dramatic as they are, are still so much less deadly than business as usual. It's like the last set of nazis: putting them down did require incredible violence, but nowhere near as much violence as they would have visited on the world otherwise. I won't lie about the situation, the capitalism is late-stage and all over our body. Our only choices are the pain of surgery or an agonizing death by cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children) Absolutely. I still want to see America go down, but it will have negative external consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state's terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you'd be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago (1 child) It hurts others when it's successful as well. Arguably way more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago Oh, total agreement there. I'm not saying that the American empire shouldn't die, just that it will cause damage when it does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago Oh, total agreement there. I'm not saying that the American empire shouldn't die, just that it will cause damage when it does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children) That's true, a wounded animal lashes out. But these death throes, as dramatic as they are, are still so much less deadly than business as usual. It's like the last set of nazis: putting them down did require incredible violence, but nowhere near as much violence as they would have visited on the world otherwise. I won't lie about the situation, the capitalism is late-stage and all over our body. Our only choices are the pain of surgery or an agonizing death by cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children) Absolutely. I still want to see America go down, but it will have negative external consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state's terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you'd be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago (2 children) Absolutely. I still want to see America go down, but it will have negative external consequences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state's terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you'd be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) I worry about it too, how to help people and how to prepare. I hope that the American state's terminal belligerence can force enough of the rest of the world into cooperation against it to create the kind of framework we need to deal with the worst of climate collapse and maybe nurse our planet to better health. But yeah, with the bottomless depravity we know the empire is capable of, you'd be crazy not to be worried. It can be paralyzing when you try to take in the scale of the threat, and in these times I find refuge in trying to build with what few real life comrades I have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago I have those hopes and fears too. I also hope that the rest of the world can contain and mitigate our damage, but I also don't think anyone is coming to save us. It's going to be up to us to save ourselves. I am optimistic that we can do that, even though it will be painful permalink fedilink source parent