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Linus Torvalds says Linux kernel is out of 'stabilization phase' and using 'much healthier model' for AI contributions (www.theregister.com)
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[–] 1 point 6 days ago (21 children)

What you've done is allowed an unethical and incompetent machine create an unmaintainable technical debt which will destroy the future of the codebase or the company, because you were all lazy.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (11 children)

    It sounds more like you didn't even read his comment and are just rabidly spewing anti-AI talking points instead of participating in the discussion.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (9 children)

    He let AI refactor his entire codebase because the team didn't understand each other's techniques/approach and nobody had any time or knowledge to do the work themselves. They literally did not understand how it worked so they asked the chatbot to redo it and now they still don't understand it but it appears to them as if it was improved.

    What did you read?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

    Literally every single statement you made includes an assumption that the work wasn't checked and that nobody has any idea what it changed.

    Yes, slop exists, but one-shotting without review is not how most people use the tools.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (7 children)

    IDGAF if a slopper is checking the slop. Since 2022 the number of bugs and exploits has exploded dramatically and code is measurably worse: because people do not understand code that they did not write.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    You do realise that most of those bugs and exploits aren't from AI generated code (a good chunk has existed for years before LLMs were even a wet thought), and the number is mainly exploding because LLMs are being used to identify them, right?

    Take the highly coveted, human audited OS OpenBSD. 30+ years of code, deemed to be the most secure, most closely watched and verified on the planet... And a simple LLM check identifies not one, not two, but three (by my last count, this could've increased since, I don't follow OpenBSD that closely) major, exploitable issues that humans have missed for years.

    But sure, slop.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    You do realise that most of those bugs and exploits aren’t from AI generated code (a good chunk has existed for years before LLMs were even a wet thought), and the number is mainly exploding because LLMs are being used to identify them, right?

    I think that's the lie you're being fed, mate. Sure, some of these old existing exploits have been identified by these multibillion dollar tech companies, but we've well documented that AI slop coders produce terribly unsecure code and far more than their peers.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Ah yes the lie being fed to me, aka having seen a lot of the exploits, as well as their RCAs clearly pointing to human written code. Unless you suggest that these AI companies have discovered time travel and are sending back their LLMs in time a la Terminator, but instead of killing John Connor, they're just... injecting slop before LLMs were a thing. Which is obviously a ridiculous notion.

    Yes, actual slop - code never reviewed by a human, having no actual maintainer, etc. - can have major security issues. Today, considerably less than, say, a year ago. Reality is, most slopware is either abandoned in no time, or, the less likely option, get traction, get more people working on it, and over time, become less sloppy as people take ownership of various parts.

    Meanwhile, an overwhelming part of the IT industry now utilises AI with humans in the loop. We are actually in the phase of the "find out and oh fuck backtrack on it" part of the whole "let's fire engineers because a manager with AI can do the work of a department" idea backfired spectacularly.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago* (2 children)

    Today, considerably less than, say, a year ago.

    Every day it gets worse with you fuckin sloppers always slopping out garbage putting countless people and industries at risk with your worthless non-expertise. If you haven't gotten the hint yet, I don't respect you, you've already stated multiple lies to our faces in this discussion.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago

    I have not stated a single lie here.

    You, however, started out with an emotional outburst and has refused to even read and understand my replies. That makes this entire discussion pointless, and I refuse to waste energy on the likes of you.

    As for respect... why would I care what a laughable chud luddite wannabe, a mid-40s loser who can't keep up with the world and blames everyone but himself, someone who's peaked before they turned 20, thinks about me? You've provided great entertainment for a few hours, and the saddest part is, that's probably the most useful you've been in the past decade.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (7 children)

    Please shut the fuck up if you have no inkling about what you're talking about.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    On the one hand that would be nice, but on the other hand it would result in basically no content on social media any more.

    Actually, no, I'm on board with this.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago

    Hey now, not all of us are spouting nonsense constantly. I for one tend to research topics - even if in a cursory manner (and no that does not mean I use Cursor or other AI as my main information source, before another anti-AI shitwit accuses me of doing so). And I tend to stick to topics I have at least a cursory understanding of, to begin with.

    Should that not be the case, I'll try to join the discussion with questions. Problem is, what I consider the basics of a discussion worth having - that is, being informative, with the goal of education, sharing knowledge - seems to be too much effort for most.

    However what I can't stand is the aforementioned shitwits joining a level headed discussion only to barf in a half-digested word salad based on nothing but their emotions. If I wanted to debate based on emotions, I'd go to a reality show community...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Eat my ass slopper

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (3 children)

    Yeeeeeah, not gonna listen to some fuckwit who immediately launches into an unprompted tirade without even reading what they reply to.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago* (2 children)

    "Please shut the fuck up if you have no inkling about what you’re talking about."

    Oh I'm sorry did I not enter this discussion with enough civility?

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