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[–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (25 children) One party is salvageable, the other needs to die. permalink fedilink source hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (9 children) Neither party is salvageable, they both serve billionaires and billionaires alone. You cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children) The Republican Party goosesteps along together but that’s not true of the dems. People like AOC, Mark Kelly, and Jon Ossoff would happily let Musk rot to death in prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children) So you think that the party that supports the Republicans by increasing funding to ICE, increasing funding to torture camps, helping them do mass deportations, helping them bombs kids, and helping them back a genocide doesn't goosestep along together with them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I think there are enough good people that aren’t republicans to drag the Democratic Party kicking and screaming into a better future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) But the Dems have repeatedly shown that they would rather let the Republicans win than let that happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 child) Dems are not a monolith and can be salvaged specifically because people like AOC, Kelly, and Ossoff can seize power from shitbirds like Schumer in the future. The Republican Party is all different flavors of fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago Okay, but that's not what I said. I said that you cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class. That would require fundamentally transforming the entire system into socialism, which cannot be done through the capitalist system itself, nor through a party that has evolved over the centuries to be in lock-step with billionaires, just as the GOP has. They represent different wings of billionaires, but billionaires nevertheless. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Neither party is salvageable Do a revolution then, coward. We're all behind you. You first though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Since I already explained both that revolutions cannot simply be willed into existence, and instead require a mass socialist party and mass class consciousness as prerequisite, I am doing what needs to be done for revolution. If you're behind me, why don't you join up as well? permalink fedilink source parent [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -9 points 1 week ago (14 children) Which one was in power when genocide started? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (10 children) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (9 children) Cute. Very cute. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) Ok, so you're done voting then? That leaves only one path forward. Lead the way, you first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (7 children) Nope. I'm not a tankie. I'm not advocating for a violent revolution for funsies. I'm not supporting groyper accelerationism. I am asking for honesty, accountability and holding politicians' feet to fire 100% of times without any bias. Donald is a warmongering pedo. I got no doubt he's terrible for the innocent, poor workers of the USA as well as whatever's left of the middle class. I'm also not in favour of forgetting or conveniently ignoring who was in charge and oversaw, even facilitated, the Gaza genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children) I don't think you're arguing in good faith, champ You don't appear to be stupid based on your diction, which only really leaves the alternative that you're disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) Why would it matter which side was in power when a nation on the other side of the planet starts genociding their ancient enemies? The genocide was happening either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Palestinians are not their “ancient enemies.” You’re parroting hasbara talking points. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Okay, genocidal zionist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (9 children) Neither party is salvageable, they both serve billionaires and billionaires alone. You cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children) The Republican Party goosesteps along together but that’s not true of the dems. People like AOC, Mark Kelly, and Jon Ossoff would happily let Musk rot to death in prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children) So you think that the party that supports the Republicans by increasing funding to ICE, increasing funding to torture camps, helping them do mass deportations, helping them bombs kids, and helping them back a genocide doesn't goosestep along together with them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I think there are enough good people that aren’t republicans to drag the Democratic Party kicking and screaming into a better future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) But the Dems have repeatedly shown that they would rather let the Republicans win than let that happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 child) Dems are not a monolith and can be salvaged specifically because people like AOC, Kelly, and Ossoff can seize power from shitbirds like Schumer in the future. The Republican Party is all different flavors of fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago Okay, but that's not what I said. I said that you cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class. That would require fundamentally transforming the entire system into socialism, which cannot be done through the capitalist system itself, nor through a party that has evolved over the centuries to be in lock-step with billionaires, just as the GOP has. They represent different wings of billionaires, but billionaires nevertheless. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Neither party is salvageable Do a revolution then, coward. We're all behind you. You first though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Since I already explained both that revolutions cannot simply be willed into existence, and instead require a mass socialist party and mass class consciousness as prerequisite, I am doing what needs to be done for revolution. If you're behind me, why don't you join up as well? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children) The Republican Party goosesteps along together but that’s not true of the dems. People like AOC, Mark Kelly, and Jon Ossoff would happily let Musk rot to death in prison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children) So you think that the party that supports the Republicans by increasing funding to ICE, increasing funding to torture camps, helping them do mass deportations, helping them bombs kids, and helping them back a genocide doesn't goosestep along together with them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I think there are enough good people that aren’t republicans to drag the Democratic Party kicking and screaming into a better future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) But the Dems have repeatedly shown that they would rather let the Republicans win than let that happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 child) Dems are not a monolith and can be salvaged specifically because people like AOC, Kelly, and Ossoff can seize power from shitbirds like Schumer in the future. The Republican Party is all different flavors of fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago Okay, but that's not what I said. I said that you cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class. That would require fundamentally transforming the entire system into socialism, which cannot be done through the capitalist system itself, nor through a party that has evolved over the centuries to be in lock-step with billionaires, just as the GOP has. They represent different wings of billionaires, but billionaires nevertheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children) So you think that the party that supports the Republicans by increasing funding to ICE, increasing funding to torture camps, helping them do mass deportations, helping them bombs kids, and helping them back a genocide doesn't goosestep along together with them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I think there are enough good people that aren’t republicans to drag the Democratic Party kicking and screaming into a better future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) But the Dems have repeatedly shown that they would rather let the Republicans win than let that happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 child) Dems are not a monolith and can be salvaged specifically because people like AOC, Kelly, and Ossoff can seize power from shitbirds like Schumer in the future. The Republican Party is all different flavors of fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I think there are enough good people that aren’t republicans to drag the Democratic Party kicking and screaming into a better future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) But the Dems have repeatedly shown that they would rather let the Republicans win than let that happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 child) Dems are not a monolith and can be salvaged specifically because people like AOC, Kelly, and Ossoff can seize power from shitbirds like Schumer in the future. The Republican Party is all different flavors of fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) But the Dems have repeatedly shown that they would rather let the Republicans win than let that happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 child) Dems are not a monolith and can be salvaged specifically because people like AOC, Kelly, and Ossoff can seize power from shitbirds like Schumer in the future. The Republican Party is all different flavors of fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 child) Dems are not a monolith and can be salvaged specifically because people like AOC, Kelly, and Ossoff can seize power from shitbirds like Schumer in the future. The Republican Party is all different flavors of fascist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) AOC has already had the chance to do that, but chose loyalty to the party instead. Other Democrats have had the opportunity to go against their party, but they're currently all showing loyalty above all. Go ahead and call me when anyone in the Democratic party grows a spine and actually stands up to Schumer or Jeffries. I'll wait 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 week ago Okay, but that's not what I said. I said that you cannot reform capitalism into a system that works for the working class. That would require fundamentally transforming the entire system into socialism, which cannot be done through the capitalist system itself, nor through a party that has evolved over the centuries to be in lock-step with billionaires, just as the GOP has. They represent different wings of billionaires, but billionaires nevertheless. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Neither party is salvageable Do a revolution then, coward. We're all behind you. You first though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Since I already explained both that revolutions cannot simply be willed into existence, and instead require a mass socialist party and mass class consciousness as prerequisite, I am doing what needs to be done for revolution. If you're behind me, why don't you join up as well? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Since I already explained both that revolutions cannot simply be willed into existence, and instead require a mass socialist party and mass class consciousness as prerequisite, I am doing what needs to be done for revolution. If you're behind me, why don't you join up as well? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -9 points 1 week ago (14 children) Which one was in power when genocide started? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (10 children) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (9 children) Cute. Very cute. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) Ok, so you're done voting then? That leaves only one path forward. Lead the way, you first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (7 children) Nope. I'm not a tankie. I'm not advocating for a violent revolution for funsies. I'm not supporting groyper accelerationism. I am asking for honesty, accountability and holding politicians' feet to fire 100% of times without any bias. Donald is a warmongering pedo. I got no doubt he's terrible for the innocent, poor workers of the USA as well as whatever's left of the middle class. I'm also not in favour of forgetting or conveniently ignoring who was in charge and oversaw, even facilitated, the Gaza genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children) I don't think you're arguing in good faith, champ You don't appear to be stupid based on your diction, which only really leaves the alternative that you're disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) Why would it matter which side was in power when a nation on the other side of the planet starts genociding their ancient enemies? The genocide was happening either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Palestinians are not their “ancient enemies.” You’re parroting hasbara talking points. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Okay, genocidal zionist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CluelessCalls@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (10 children) Which one? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (9 children) Cute. Very cute. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) Ok, so you're done voting then? That leaves only one path forward. Lead the way, you first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (7 children) Nope. I'm not a tankie. I'm not advocating for a violent revolution for funsies. I'm not supporting groyper accelerationism. I am asking for honesty, accountability and holding politicians' feet to fire 100% of times without any bias. Donald is a warmongering pedo. I got no doubt he's terrible for the innocent, poor workers of the USA as well as whatever's left of the middle class. I'm also not in favour of forgetting or conveniently ignoring who was in charge and oversaw, even facilitated, the Gaza genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children) I don't think you're arguing in good faith, champ You don't appear to be stupid based on your diction, which only really leaves the alternative that you're disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (9 children) Cute. Very cute. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) Ok, so you're done voting then? That leaves only one path forward. Lead the way, you first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (7 children) Nope. I'm not a tankie. I'm not advocating for a violent revolution for funsies. I'm not supporting groyper accelerationism. I am asking for honesty, accountability and holding politicians' feet to fire 100% of times without any bias. Donald is a warmongering pedo. I got no doubt he's terrible for the innocent, poor workers of the USA as well as whatever's left of the middle class. I'm also not in favour of forgetting or conveniently ignoring who was in charge and oversaw, even facilitated, the Gaza genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children) I don't think you're arguing in good faith, champ You don't appear to be stupid based on your diction, which only really leaves the alternative that you're disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space -1 points 1 week ago (8 children) Ok, so you're done voting then? That leaves only one path forward. Lead the way, you first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (7 children) Nope. I'm not a tankie. I'm not advocating for a violent revolution for funsies. I'm not supporting groyper accelerationism. I am asking for honesty, accountability and holding politicians' feet to fire 100% of times without any bias. Donald is a warmongering pedo. I got no doubt he's terrible for the innocent, poor workers of the USA as well as whatever's left of the middle class. I'm also not in favour of forgetting or conveniently ignoring who was in charge and oversaw, even facilitated, the Gaza genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children) I don't think you're arguing in good faith, champ You don't appear to be stupid based on your diction, which only really leaves the alternative that you're disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago (7 children) Nope. I'm not a tankie. I'm not advocating for a violent revolution for funsies. I'm not supporting groyper accelerationism. I am asking for honesty, accountability and holding politicians' feet to fire 100% of times without any bias. Donald is a warmongering pedo. I got no doubt he's terrible for the innocent, poor workers of the USA as well as whatever's left of the middle class. I'm also not in favour of forgetting or conveniently ignoring who was in charge and oversaw, even facilitated, the Gaza genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children) I don't think you're arguing in good faith, champ You don't appear to be stupid based on your diction, which only really leaves the alternative that you're disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (6 children) I don't think you're arguing in good faith, champ You don't appear to be stupid based on your diction, which only really leaves the alternative that you're disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 week ago (5 children) There's nothing disingenuous about what I said. Why should politicians and political parties be allowed to shrug off their egregious mistakes? We shouldn't let following generations be fed a sanitized fantasy of what we witnessed and live through. We should all remember why Bernie Sanders was cheated out of his shot at leading US and the West to a better future. Or all the other stuff like a literal genocide. The establishment Dems shouldn't be allowed to hide behind token gestures. I appreciate the fact that they're inclusive and got rid of the discriminatory rules prohibiting lgbt+ in the armed forces. But we also shouldn't forget or overlook the forever-wars and needles conflicts they're thrown into for corporate interests and profits. I fail to see why you think that's disingenuous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children) I think that the system in 'Murica is fucked and needs to be totally changed, but that requires the entirity of every single institution to be torn down and built again Barring some sort of cataclysmic event, that ain't happening So your pissing and moaning will do nothing more than persuading people already inclined to do nothing to not get off their arses and vote against the Republicans Why would you take that approach? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago Revolution doesn't require cataclysm, it requires a cohesive socialist party, high levels of class consciousness among the working class, and a crisis within the capitalist system, especially within the cohesion of the ruling class. The first two are directly actionable, you can join an org and do your best to spread socialist sentiment and educate others on socialist theory and practice. The last part is out of our direct control, but is made inevitable by the lack of sustainability of capitalism. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) That's your good faith argument? Yet you call me disingenuous? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 1 week ago (1 child) Again, lead the way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 week ago Sure. As soon as I see it's absolutely the only way left. Not at your command. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (2 children) Why would it matter which side was in power when a nation on the other side of the planet starts genociding their ancient enemies? The genocide was happening either way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Palestinians are not their “ancient enemies.” You’re parroting hasbara talking points. permalink fedilink source parent [–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Okay, genocidal zionist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago Palestinians are not their “ancient enemies.” You’re parroting hasbara talking points. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] potatomuncher@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago Okay, genocidal zionist. permalink fedilink source parent