Okay, I see where you're coming from and can agree with the perspective. I only take issue with the assumption that there was a lack of consent because it wasn't explicitly mentioned. We don't know what their safety system is, and the dominant could very well have been acting on something that was discussed, just exploring methods on how to achieve that result. But you're right, for something like this, you need to both have discussed exploration like that beforehand AND have a decent understanding of how your sub in that moment may end up in subdrop. Thanks for clarifying!