For decades, the Red Hot Chili Peppers have occupied a peculiar position in popular culture, their music providing the soundtrack to everything from teenage rebellion to mainstream radio. Kiedis, meanwhile, has become one of alternative rock’s most recognisable frontmen, celebrated for his charisma, longevity and remarkable survival story. Yet behind that familiar image lies a series of incidents that raise uncomfortable questions about the behaviour the music industry has historically been willing to overlook. Some of the most troubling details are not buried in forgotten court documents or whispered accusations among industry insiders. They were openly acknowledged by Kiedis himself.

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In 1986, Kiedis began a relationship with Ione Skye, the daughter of Donovan, who was just 16 when they started dating, meaning she was a minor in the state of California. At the time, Kiedis was around 24, and the two stayed together for several years. Furthermore, Kiedis even included a nude picture of the couple in his autobiography.

Kiedis also documented another troubling encounter in Scar Tissue, one that would inspire the Red Hot Chili Peppers song ‘Catholic School Girls Rule’. According to his autobiography, he met a young fan backstage at a concert in Louisiana and began a sexual relationship with her. He subsequently discovered that she was just 14 years old.

“The next day we drove to Baton Rouge, and of course, she came with us,” Kiedis wrote. “After we got offstage, she came up to me and said, ‘I have something to tell you. My father’s the chief of police and the entire state of Louisiana is looking for me because I’ve gone missing. Oh, and besides that, I’m only 14’.”

Kiedis continued: “I wasn’t incredibly scared, because, in my somewhat deluded mind, I knew that if she told the chief of police she was in love with me, he wasn’t going to have me taken out to a field and shot, but I did want to get her the hell back home right away. So we had sex one more time.”

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this admission is the circumstances in which it became public knowledge. Kiedis was not confronted with an accusation during a police investigation, nor was he forced to disclose the relationship under questioning. He voluntarily included the account in Scar Tissue, his best-selling autobiography, published in 2004. By then, the Red Hot Chili Peppers were one of the world’s biggest bands, and their singer was reflecting on his past for an enormous audience. That he chose to recount having sex with a 14-year-old after learning her age, apparently without anticipating the seriousness with which such an admission might be received, says something troubling about the culture in which these stories were once treated as acceptable rock ‘n’ roll anecdotes.

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In a separate incident in April 1989, Kiedis was accused of sexual battery and indecent exposure following a Red Hot Chili Peppers performance at George Mason University in Virginia. According to contemporary reports, a female student alleged that the singer had exposed himself and made unwanted sexual contact with her backstage. Kiedis denied the allegation.

In April 1990, a Virginia jury found Kiedis guilty of sexual battery and indecent exposure, recommending fines of $1,000 for each misdemeanour. Unlike the incident described in his autobiography, this case resulted in criminal proceedings and a conviction. It was not simply another controversial story from the band’s notoriously chaotic early years, but an incident that had been examined in court and resulted in a guilty verdict.

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[–] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's the fame game.

Not purely fame, as it doesn't always apply to all types of fame. But musicians and artists get a pass because it's assumed they're a little skeevy. It's a prejudice that exists even among creative sorts.

When you already assume someone is likely to be sexually extreme to some degree, finding out it's a fact is going to cause a lot of people to just shrug and move on.

Rock musicians in specific get a lot of passes because of it. Everyone "knows" on a subconscious level at least that rock stars aren't purely pushing through those struggle years in the hope of success the artistic reasons. They want to get laid, and get rich. Enough of them have said it out loud that it might as well be assumed purely on that basis, without any other observations.

And, truth be told, a recent event is harder to shrug off. Since a lot of this stuff with the older musicians happened longer ago than significant parts of the population have been alive, it's harder to care. Twenty years later, it is harder to give a damn. Let the victim sue, hope they weren't too horribly traumatized, and there's really nothing else to do about it. Even ignoring statute of limitations, a crying 16 year old that's been diddled is getting a more emotional response than a 30 year old that isn't in visible distress. Even a 14 year old isn't going to get a deeply emotional response when she's faceless and nameless, just a character on a page.

Since what the public sees is reports about things, rather than the actual consequences, it makes empathy way, way harder even for people dripping with it. Ione Skye? She's distant, an actress, not a person you can talk to in line at the grocery store. Making the connection between the name and public self with the teenager that was in that situation, that's not as easy to do as we all might prefer. I'm generally good at empathy, but I can't even remember her face, so connecting with that kid that she used to be is hard. It's a purely intellectual exercise.

So how is someone that doesn't have that human connection supposed to do more than shrug and hope it gets sorted by someone else? It doesn't help that everyone screams pedo at the top of their lungs these days. I'm fucking exhausted with it, and I actually care about child abuse, including teenagers.

I mean, we're coming off of decades of Republicans and other right wing nutters pointing at anyone they don't like and saying groomer. Adrenochrome! Groomer! Pizza party!

The general populace has had their give a shitter crushed into dust.

Kiedis? He's at the low end of the shitty scale, and that means a shit ton of people are just not going to care at all. There's bigger fish to fry. And there really are. Is what he did okay? hell no, and if I met him I'd call him a douche to his face, and gladly put a foot up his ass if he wanted to get froggy. But I'm sure not going to spend my limited spoons on something that happened twenty plus years ago. And I think that's where a lot of the shrugs come from even from people that would otherwise care.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    It’s about keeping the conversation going. It’s about awareness. It’s about making sure the next time this happens, people don’t shrug it off.

    It’s outrageous. It was outrageous then and it’s outrageous now.

    We’re collectively calling out pedophiles more often. That doesn’t mean there are more pedophiles than there used to be. There’s a lower tolerance for it and that’s a good thing.

    Victims are speaking out more. How terrible that your reaction is that of tired acceptance of pedophiles.

    Edit: this reminds me of the man commenting yesterday about how he raped a 16 year old when he was 24 years old. He is still of the mindset that he didn’t rape anyone. That having sex with a child was perfectly ok then and is ok now.

    These topics are for people like him. And for the people in that man’s life that have been touched by his lack of respect around children and consent.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Don't mistake exhaustion for acceptance. It's just that once enough bull shit flies, the occasional bit of human sewage slapping you in the face is less disturbing. Sustaining outrage is... not sustainable. There's so much fucked up shit that trying to keep any kind of energy for any of it is hard. Like, in the face of dealing with gestures to the world, one more bad thing just isn't enough to get mad about. The victims have the ability to lawyer up, people that can actually do something other than just be sad and angry. It's impossible to be emotional at, but it doesn't mean it's acceptable.

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