▲ 110 ▼ First Nintendo Switch 2 emulator for PC is out, and it already boots Mario Kart World (www.tweaktown.com) submitted 1 week ago by popcar2@piefed.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 23 comments fedilink hide all child comments Crazy progress happening crazy fast. Some people are already porting Switch 2 games to PC via AI recompilation. Plus, someone earlier shared Mario Kart World running on Switch 1 (albeit buggy and incomplete).
[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (16 children) Switch 2 Emulator 😍 AI slopcomp permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] popcar2@piefed.ca [S] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children) Hate to break it but the emulator also uses AI and the Switch 2 got hacked in the first place using AI. At this point you'll be hard pressed to find anything in the scene not using it because, opinions on AI aside, it is seriously effective in reverse engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) And that makes me feel sad about it. Remember TheFlow quitting the reverse engineering entirely because of those slop kiddies? I'm worried about reverse engineering field getting outnumbered by those fly-by-night LLM users replacing the existing enthusiasts. I really hope that won't happen but really we need to fight against those LLM users to keep it rolling and maintained by someone care about their project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago Do better than the "kiddies" then permalink fedilink source parent [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (9 children) I don’t understand what the problem is. Without AI this process would’ve taken certainly much longer (longer than necessary). You cannot escape AI, no matter how much you are against it. It is here and it will stay whether we like it or not. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. I for one am happy this is possible and has a very quick development. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 week ago (8 children) Climate change is also already here, should we stop giving a fuck about it and deregulate fossil fuels? "You cannot escape AI" is such a common thought-terminating cliche it gives me a migraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 7 points 1 week ago (3 children) So true. "You cannot escape AI" is simply not true as there are many FOSS projects explicitly banning usage of LLMs. By thinking this way you just give up to even trying fighting against it. This is such a defeatist logic and harmful to FOSS ecosystem in general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children) Good luck running any of those FOSS projects when all operating systems are made using LLM code these days. Linus Torvalds explicitly allows such code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions, while both not using Linux as a kernel for their operating system! I do know there are fewer and fewer ground to stand but at least we can try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions rustc permits LLM code. LLVM/clang permits LLM code. GCC permits LLM use if the code itself is not LLM generated. Yeah, good luck actually getting to run these OSes when all compilers allow LLMs in some for or another. Edit: Mesa also allows LLM contributions. Try any usable graphics output without Mesa. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) My point is; whether we want it or not, it will not suddenly disappear. It exists and it will always exists. But anyway, keep being upset about everything related to AI. That will do good for your health, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I would get upset if someone was smoking in the same room as me, for the same reason. Smoking will not suddenly disappear. That's no reason to accept it as something good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Fair point. Though, I wouldn’t mind that either despite not being a smoker. We are just different and have different opinions and that’s okay. Anyway, lets see where this Switch 2 emulation is going (or not). I’m curious what is going to happen, will Nintendo go madman again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago In this specific case, part of me actually wants the emulation (or at least the games decompilation) to be done with corporate AI, so that Nintendo can go nuclear on whatever company was its provider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) reverse engineered code is just automatically slop, eh? compare that to will smith eating spaghetti, or all the garbage ads that companies are putting out using AI. Generalizing anything that AI touches as slop, is kind of . . . . disingenuous, no? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago Damaging to the environment and our futures maybe, but as a coding tool AI is getting much better and more reliable permalink fedilink source parent [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I'm sure you're plugging your original Switch 2 cartridges into your PC when holding up your high standards regarding tech trained on copyrighted material. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] popcar2@piefed.ca [S] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children) Hate to break it but the emulator also uses AI and the Switch 2 got hacked in the first place using AI. At this point you'll be hard pressed to find anything in the scene not using it because, opinions on AI aside, it is seriously effective in reverse engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) And that makes me feel sad about it. Remember TheFlow quitting the reverse engineering entirely because of those slop kiddies? I'm worried about reverse engineering field getting outnumbered by those fly-by-night LLM users replacing the existing enthusiasts. I really hope that won't happen but really we need to fight against those LLM users to keep it rolling and maintained by someone care about their project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago Do better than the "kiddies" then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 child) And that makes me feel sad about it. Remember TheFlow quitting the reverse engineering entirely because of those slop kiddies? I'm worried about reverse engineering field getting outnumbered by those fly-by-night LLM users replacing the existing enthusiasts. I really hope that won't happen but really we need to fight against those LLM users to keep it rolling and maintained by someone care about their project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago Do better than the "kiddies" then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 5 points 1 week ago Do better than the "kiddies" then permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (9 children) I don’t understand what the problem is. Without AI this process would’ve taken certainly much longer (longer than necessary). You cannot escape AI, no matter how much you are against it. It is here and it will stay whether we like it or not. If you don’t like it, don’t use it. I for one am happy this is possible and has a very quick development. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 week ago (8 children) Climate change is also already here, should we stop giving a fuck about it and deregulate fossil fuels? "You cannot escape AI" is such a common thought-terminating cliche it gives me a migraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 7 points 1 week ago (3 children) So true. "You cannot escape AI" is simply not true as there are many FOSS projects explicitly banning usage of LLMs. By thinking this way you just give up to even trying fighting against it. This is such a defeatist logic and harmful to FOSS ecosystem in general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children) Good luck running any of those FOSS projects when all operating systems are made using LLM code these days. Linus Torvalds explicitly allows such code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions, while both not using Linux as a kernel for their operating system! I do know there are fewer and fewer ground to stand but at least we can try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions rustc permits LLM code. LLVM/clang permits LLM code. GCC permits LLM use if the code itself is not LLM generated. Yeah, good luck actually getting to run these OSes when all compilers allow LLMs in some for or another. Edit: Mesa also allows LLM contributions. Try any usable graphics output without Mesa. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) My point is; whether we want it or not, it will not suddenly disappear. It exists and it will always exists. But anyway, keep being upset about everything related to AI. That will do good for your health, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I would get upset if someone was smoking in the same room as me, for the same reason. Smoking will not suddenly disappear. That's no reason to accept it as something good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Fair point. Though, I wouldn’t mind that either despite not being a smoker. We are just different and have different opinions and that’s okay. Anyway, lets see where this Switch 2 emulation is going (or not). I’m curious what is going to happen, will Nintendo go madman again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago In this specific case, part of me actually wants the emulation (or at least the games decompilation) to be done with corporate AI, so that Nintendo can go nuclear on whatever company was its provider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 1 week ago (8 children) Climate change is also already here, should we stop giving a fuck about it and deregulate fossil fuels? "You cannot escape AI" is such a common thought-terminating cliche it gives me a migraine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 7 points 1 week ago (3 children) So true. "You cannot escape AI" is simply not true as there are many FOSS projects explicitly banning usage of LLMs. By thinking this way you just give up to even trying fighting against it. This is such a defeatist logic and harmful to FOSS ecosystem in general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children) Good luck running any of those FOSS projects when all operating systems are made using LLM code these days. Linus Torvalds explicitly allows such code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions, while both not using Linux as a kernel for their operating system! I do know there are fewer and fewer ground to stand but at least we can try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions rustc permits LLM code. LLVM/clang permits LLM code. GCC permits LLM use if the code itself is not LLM generated. Yeah, good luck actually getting to run these OSes when all compilers allow LLMs in some for or another. Edit: Mesa also allows LLM contributions. Try any usable graphics output without Mesa. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) My point is; whether we want it or not, it will not suddenly disappear. It exists and it will always exists. But anyway, keep being upset about everything related to AI. That will do good for your health, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I would get upset if someone was smoking in the same room as me, for the same reason. Smoking will not suddenly disappear. That's no reason to accept it as something good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Fair point. Though, I wouldn’t mind that either despite not being a smoker. We are just different and have different opinions and that’s okay. Anyway, lets see where this Switch 2 emulation is going (or not). I’m curious what is going to happen, will Nintendo go madman again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago In this specific case, part of me actually wants the emulation (or at least the games decompilation) to be done with corporate AI, so that Nintendo can go nuclear on whatever company was its provider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 7 points 1 week ago (3 children) So true. "You cannot escape AI" is simply not true as there are many FOSS projects explicitly banning usage of LLMs. By thinking this way you just give up to even trying fighting against it. This is such a defeatist logic and harmful to FOSS ecosystem in general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children) Good luck running any of those FOSS projects when all operating systems are made using LLM code these days. Linus Torvalds explicitly allows such code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions, while both not using Linux as a kernel for their operating system! I do know there are fewer and fewer ground to stand but at least we can try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions rustc permits LLM code. LLVM/clang permits LLM code. GCC permits LLM use if the code itself is not LLM generated. Yeah, good luck actually getting to run these OSes when all compilers allow LLMs in some for or another. Edit: Mesa also allows LLM contributions. Try any usable graphics output without Mesa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (2 children) Good luck running any of those FOSS projects when all operating systems are made using LLM code these days. Linus Torvalds explicitly allows such code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions, while both not using Linux as a kernel for their operating system! I do know there are fewer and fewer ground to stand but at least we can try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions rustc permits LLM code. LLVM/clang permits LLM code. GCC permits LLM use if the code itself is not LLM generated. Yeah, good luck actually getting to run these OSes when all compilers allow LLMs in some for or another. Edit: Mesa also allows LLM contributions. Try any usable graphics output without Mesa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] byungyoonc@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions, while both not using Linux as a kernel for their operating system! I do know there are fewer and fewer ground to stand but at least we can try. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions rustc permits LLM code. LLVM/clang permits LLM code. GCC permits LLM use if the code itself is not LLM generated. Yeah, good luck actually getting to run these OSes when all compilers allow LLMs in some for or another. Edit: Mesa also allows LLM contributions. Try any usable graphics output without Mesa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) NetBSD, RedoxOS and some explicitly declines LLM contributions rustc permits LLM code. LLVM/clang permits LLM code. GCC permits LLM use if the code itself is not LLM generated. Yeah, good luck actually getting to run these OSes when all compilers allow LLMs in some for or another. Edit: Mesa also allows LLM contributions. Try any usable graphics output without Mesa. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (3 children) My point is; whether we want it or not, it will not suddenly disappear. It exists and it will always exists. But anyway, keep being upset about everything related to AI. That will do good for your health, I suppose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I would get upset if someone was smoking in the same room as me, for the same reason. Smoking will not suddenly disappear. That's no reason to accept it as something good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Fair point. Though, I wouldn’t mind that either despite not being a smoker. We are just different and have different opinions and that’s okay. Anyway, lets see where this Switch 2 emulation is going (or not). I’m curious what is going to happen, will Nintendo go madman again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago In this specific case, part of me actually wants the emulation (or at least the games decompilation) to be done with corporate AI, so that Nintendo can go nuclear on whatever company was its provider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago (2 children) I would get upset if someone was smoking in the same room as me, for the same reason. Smoking will not suddenly disappear. That's no reason to accept it as something good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Fair point. Though, I wouldn’t mind that either despite not being a smoker. We are just different and have different opinions and that’s okay. Anyway, lets see where this Switch 2 emulation is going (or not). I’m curious what is going to happen, will Nintendo go madman again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago In this specific case, part of me actually wants the emulation (or at least the games decompilation) to be done with corporate AI, so that Nintendo can go nuclear on whatever company was its provider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago* (1 child) Fair point. Though, I wouldn’t mind that either despite not being a smoker. We are just different and have different opinions and that’s okay. Anyway, lets see where this Switch 2 emulation is going (or not). I’m curious what is going to happen, will Nintendo go madman again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago In this specific case, part of me actually wants the emulation (or at least the games decompilation) to be done with corporate AI, so that Nintendo can go nuclear on whatever company was its provider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 week ago In this specific case, part of me actually wants the emulation (or at least the games decompilation) to be done with corporate AI, so that Nintendo can go nuclear on whatever company was its provider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) reverse engineered code is just automatically slop, eh? compare that to will smith eating spaghetti, or all the garbage ads that companies are putting out using AI. Generalizing anything that AI touches as slop, is kind of . . . . disingenuous, no? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago Damaging to the environment and our futures maybe, but as a coding tool AI is getting much better and more reliable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] datavoid@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago Damaging to the environment and our futures maybe, but as a coding tool AI is getting much better and more reliable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I'm sure you're plugging your original Switch 2 cartridges into your PC when holding up your high standards regarding tech trained on copyrighted material. permalink fedilink source parent