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[–] 4 points 1 week ago (14 children)

The important thing is that the Chinese government took steps to protect it’s other sectors

But At What Cost?!

Also, so much of this seems to undersell the global common denominator: skyrocketing energy prices.

China is getting hit earlier because they've relied so heavily on the Persian Gulf and Russia to date. By contrast, the US - a major energy exporter - can remain insulated (and even reap a fat dividend) as their energy export values balloon.

AI is voracious for energy, so Chinese data centers got hit faster and harder than their American peers. I would not assume this rebounds the same way in the States, because the US is willing to subsidize AI development AND fossil fuel consumption in a way China is not.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I think this is just blatantly wrong. China has vastly more energy capacity that the US and, 3-4x what the USA has. China has the entire USAs energy capacity purely as renewables. The entire time, the competition around energy has been a moot point for China. They don't need more efficient or powerful chips because they had the energy spare to just use more. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang made a good statement on this point. The reason for this, whatever it is, could be entirely unrelated to energy.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    China has vastly more energy capacity that the US and, 3-4x what the USA has.

    Okay, now look at per capita energy.

    the competition around energy has been a moot point for China

    That is extremely inaccurate

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I think it's partially innacurate to compare per capita energy consumption for the two nations.

    The average American lives a vastly different lifestyle to someone in china, consider that per capita consumption of China is now higher than that of the EU. It's not the whole picture. An average American uses almost four times as much energy as a Chinese or European person at home.

    If you're talking about standard of living, sure, per capita makes sense. There's no argument that for the majority of people in the US their standard of living is probably objectively higher.

    However, China's industrial electricity usage per capita has overtaken that of the US long ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    The average American lives a vastly different lifestyle to someone in china

    That hasn't been true in decades.

    for the majority of people in the US their standard of living is probably objectively higher

    What are you using to calculate standard of living?

    Certainly not life expectancy, education, housing, or cost of living.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    can you clarify what energy the US is exporting?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    China built a lot of solar and wind projects, so they've been divesting from oil and gas, so a crash lets them stockpile oil for other purposes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    China built a lot of solar and wind projects, so they’ve been divesting from oil and gas

    They've been building wind/solar because they've exhausted oil/gas supplies.

    But when Russia started opening up trade, they were happily drinking from the fire hose of cheap fossil fuels. And they're still some of the biggest coal power consumers.

    They've been rapidly rolling out Solar/Wind to meet a voracious demand for Wattage that fossil fuels can't meet alone. But they've also been rolling out new fossil fuel plants. And for the same reasons.

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