On Saturday, Oct. 24, Josh Turek, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Iowa, released a new ad targeting transgender people—perhaps the worst anti-transgender ad of the entire election cycle to come from a Democrat. The ad begins with Turek talking about his disability and the importance of not discriminating, before immediately turning to adopt discriminatory policies toward transgender people. One such policy is a sports ban, a position sadly becoming increasingly common among high-profile Democrats in competitive races, and one that alone would have made this yet another newsworthy anti-trans ad. But Turek then goes further, advocating for a new policy: a proposal to ban federally funded gender-affirming care in the United States, one that would impact a substantial number of transgender people and make their care difficult to impossible to receive.

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[–] 25 points 2 weeks ago* (32 children)

The primaries are over.

I voted for someone other than Turek but Turek won anyway.

So what happens now?

Turek is horrible in this regard, but I have to vote for him anyway because he wants to TRY to ban transgender care, emphasis on TRY while the other party wants to do worse.

Everyone needs to get this through their heads.

Go talk to american muslims who couldn't vote for Kamala because she supported Israel.

Not voting perpetuates more harm than voting for the bad guy who is less bad.

Voting third party at this point in the election cycle perpetuates more harm than voting for the bad guy who is less bad.

THE FACTS ARE SIMPLE:

One of two people will win this race. There is no other outcome at this point.

This primary was decided by votes, not anti-bernie-level dnc trickery.

You have to vote for the one who will hurt you less or it will get worse than even this.

I hate everything about it, but this is very simple: at this point anything other than a vote for turek is a vote for escalating harm to trans people to levels even higher than what turek wants.

That is all there is to it.

Go vote.

Do not let this rhetoric stop you from turning out to vote.

That is what the people behind the machine want.

This should be a learned lesson at this point but people like Erin are somehow still getting spun up by propaganda and failing to see the simple, shitty, crushing truth here, which is that an anti-trans democrat who only wants to ban things because his donors tell him to is still more pro-trans than any other option we have at this point in this one race.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    Voting is not enough. Voting for transphobes puts transphobes in power. Call his campaign office and tell him you disagree with his stance. Go to a townhall event and call him to the carpet in front of everyone. Tell him he needs to earn your vote, and his behavior isn't fucking cutting it.

    You can vote for him anyway, but he doesn't need to know that. He needs to be told out loud that he's doing the wrong thing, often and by many people.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (27 children)

    "It's not about supporting only your ideal candidate, it's about picking the direction you want the country to go"

    Fucking both of these roads lead to ruin I'd like to turn around but that's not a fucking option.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (26 children)

    One is less bad. That's the facts.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    One wants to take your rights away, the other one wants to take your rights away.

    That's not one less bad for the people who's human rights are being taken away.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    I'm one of those people. One is less bad.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    You do you, I mean if you're okay with it and think it's one less bad, that's cool by me, no skin off my back.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    One is demonstrably less bad, and only MAGAt trash are stupid enough to think in such stupid simplistic and false paradigms.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    You do you. I don't give two fucks if you think one person who hates trans people is better than the other person who hates trans people is better, who am I to argue with your opinion.

    I simply happen to think the person who hates trans people is no better than the person who hates trans people when it comes to not hating trans people as the baseline.

    But thanks for the nice ad hominem attack, great conversation.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    You're an idiot that can't tell the difference between parties. You work for MAGA.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    More ad hominem attacks! A person disagrees with me! Oh my, I must insult them by calling an idiot and MAGA!

    Oh my fee fees! Whatever will I do?

    Great conversation there bud! Such a wonderful and intellectually stimulating online discussion of ideas being put forth by you!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    One side unanimously wants to take your rights away and have sworn unquestioning fealty to their dear leader who stokes their hatred every day.

    The other side has a few spoilers who are willing to break with the party line on a few critical issues and join the side that hates you.

    Is that what being "the same" looks like?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    A candidate that wants to take your rights away compared to another candidate that wants to take your rights away is what I'm seeing here and those two candidates, on this issue, there is no difference and that's what we're talking about here with this particularly shitty centrist Democrat.

    We can talk about those "few spoilers" and how shitty they are but that's a different thread and conversation.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    Okay but how many comments here are pointing to the democrats as a party and saying "see, we knew you were all the same as republicans"?

    Call out turek for being an out-of-touch bigot, sure. He brought it on himself.

    But when has making sweeping generalizations based on a few examples ever been the thing a rational and balanced person concludes?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (12 children)

    If you're in a car, and you have a fork ahead of you. The right path takes you directly off a cliff, and the left path circles around a tree before taking you off the same cliff, are you really going to stay in the car?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    Are you leaving the country? Because that's the only way to get out of the car. Everything else leads to one of two possibilities, regardless of your feelings about it. And one is less bad. That's the facts

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (8 children)

    No. One is bad now, the other is just as bad but delayed by a cycle.

    And no, leaving the country is not the only option. It's the only option they want you to consider, but it's not the only option.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Oh go fuck yourself accelerationist. Go back to ml ya fuckin cartoon.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Bro I just want to turn the car around. You're the one arguing for the cliff.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Vote in the fuckin primaries you asshats. But you don't fuckin vote. Goddamn tankies on this shit platform.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    I have voted in every election I have been eligible to vote in for the last 24 years. Including multiple primaries, caucuses, and every general, midterm, and special election.

    The fuck are you smoking?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Explain how your solution doesn't just give power to the republicans.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Explain how voting for policy that would have been at home on a Republican ticket 2 years ago isn't just giving Republicans exactly what they want?

    It's fucking ugly to demand that anyone vote for their own oppressors. Would ask a black person to vote for a Jim Crow candidate just because the other guy was a known Klansman? We are a cycle or two away from elected officials pushing for votes on legislation to chemically castrate trans people, and you're saying voting for oppression is OK as long as the oppressor's got the right color pin on.

    If a politician makes it far enough along in the process to the point where we're only discovering he's a bigot the week before the election, my guy, the Republicans have already won. They either get the gal they want, or a guy who won't stand in their way.

    To be extremely clear, we're specifically taking about Josh Turek verses Ashley Hinson, who's platform pages might as well be copy pasted from one another. The only difference being that Hinson actually shows up to vote sometimes.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    Listen asshole I didn't give a fuck. This is Iowa. You vote against the republican or you support the republican. It's not my fault none of you fuckin people understand grade school civics. Our system sucks. Unless you want republicans to kill all the trans people, don't let them win any office anywhere. But none of you fuckers can understand any of that much less the concept of harm reduction. But you're not an ally if your principles give power to republicans. You can enjoy your principles while I'm being bussed to the camps. So go in motherfucker, explain how what you're doing doesn't let republicans win and then explain how that's the better turnout. Fucking idiot MAGAt traitors. Fucking morons thinking the parties are the same. I hope you're not too privileged to be insulated from the consequences you're insisting the rest of us feel. Fucking idiot both sides lemmy fuckin losers. You die like right away in your stupid fantasy revolution you know that right? Accelerationism just kills us all. And here I go wasting time with another fucking lemmy both sides bot. I hope you live in a deep red area in a deep red state and get exactly what you're asking for. Stupid fucking children.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    The Republican winning is literally the less bad option, because if the Dems see this guy win they'll realize that people who claim to support trans rights will vote for them even when they sell trans people down the river, and at that point the strategically correct move will be to abandon support for trans rights everywhere. And then there will be zero resistance whatsoever to the trans genocide. It's better that they lose one seat than that the entire party gets a message that this is acceptable.

    Not that you should vote based on the absurd ideology of "lesser evilism" in the first place.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Trans rights are human rights. The people, united, must never be divided. We must hang together, or we will each hang separately.

    Anyone who's tired of watching these liberals betray and sell out marginalized people, anyone who believes in solidarity, and realizes that this won't stop until we make them stop, remember: It's us "tankies" who actually believe in those values.

    Liberals will sell you down the river in a heartbeat, the moment it's politically convenient. You can watch it happening here in real time, it's as plain as day.

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  • I hope that the trans and LGBTQ community comes together and does an Abandon Harris protest movement.

    Sitting alone and not voting won't do anything but have Democrats keep dismissing you as a shitty voter.

    Banding together and telling the Democratic party to nut the fuck up and stop voting for morally bankrupt candidates publicly and in one voice will make a difference.

    Plus this whole bullshit about vote Blue no matter who when it's never reciprocated is not a good excuse to vote for someone, even if they call themselves a Democrat, who wants to ensure you're a second class citizen.

    Be fucking better you shitty Democrats.

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