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[AIP] Haven discord alternative discussion on P2P / Mediasoup / LiveKit (github.com)
submitted 2 weeks ago by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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[–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I could rant about the slop but it's pointless because the developers of this didn't even understand why Discord alternatives never work out.

  • Bridging Discord without bots on Discord's side is against Discord ToS, so don't rely on that.
  • P2P is a great idea except it scares the hoes so you've cut 80% of your market off right there.
  • No federation so realistically everyone is gonna have to create and manage like 10 separate accounts for each of their friend groups, which even the most hardcore anti-Discord folks aren't going to bother with.

Also this is a promo post, however sneaky you try to make it. Tag appropriately.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Discord isn’t federated either and their tenancy is pretty strict (they even call it “servers” even though there is no actual server you create).

    In that regard Haven follows that more strictly: your “server” is an actual independent instance you host yourself. You can still link other servers to have basically the same UX as Discord where you can switch between servers from the sidebar.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I did tag it?

    Edit: I’ve now added it to the title too, I guess some clients don’t support piefed’s tags

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Once i find a different discord clone thats this easy to selfhost I’ll switch to it immediately. Before commenting I’d urge you to try selfhosting the other clones its a minefield of ports which scares me off tbh

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    I’d urge you to try selfhosting the other clones

    Lady I got a decade of experience trying to get off Discord. I know.

    Matrix isn't that hard if you can read, though, and it has actual users, and you get to control your account. It has other problems that make it non-viable.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Wtf is a mindfield

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    For lifekit to work it needs direct https access, if you’re running caddy server that means connecting the tls certs to livekit somehow then opening up a hole range of ports.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I believe they are pointing out that its "minefield" not "mindfield".

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 weeks ago

    You make a point on federation but Haven does allow you to login using sso from your own server.

    I guess it’s also about what you need, for a small server for a 3-12 friends it works fine where alternatives are total overkill to selfhost.

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