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[–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Unfortunately a closed fist speaks louder than an open mouth when a person has no intention of listening…

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  • [+] -19 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    A closed fist results in another closed fist. This attitude is why we have wars.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    One unfixably foul mouth results in LOTS of closed fists. Lots of closed fists results in someone backing down and surrendering, not closing their fist.

    The “unfixably foul” part is the key. We cherish people’s ability to speak their mind, and it may not fully match ours. But “women exist for sexual slavery” is a long, long way from matching anyone’s I ever want to share a room with.

    Chances are, he didn’t mean it. So, it’s a lesson: Don’t ever even pretend to mean it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    That’s not entirely true, war is far more complex than that…

    My point is/was that sometimes a short sharp shock delivers one of two outcomes: it either clarifies someone’s mind or teaches them the important lesson that words have consequences.

    I can’t stress enough that it is a final resort though. All other avenues need to have been fully explored first.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Well, as far as misogyny goes, all other avenues have been explored. Extensively, and repeatedly, through more than 100 years of feminism literature and praxis, discussions, and real world research.

    Violence has its place, and when the other person is dehumanizing you, that is almost always the place.

    In order to explore other avenues, the other person needs to regard you as an equal. For those with authoritarian/fascistic/bigoted leanings among us, the only way for that, is consequences, because the only thing they care about, is consequences.

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