It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.

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[–] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (77 children)

I didn't say you were tankies, I actually said you were not. I just said something weird was going on with dbzer0. Your comment here, I say without really meaning any hostility by it, is more weird stuff.

Every single one of the issues you've listed, you've reframed it into something different than it was. Neopronouns were never the issue, it was blahaj shielding a transphobic troll from criticism and banning people who complained about them (complained about them while using accepted pronouns, usually while explicitly saying 'yes I'm fine using people's pronouns'), purely because the troll cleverly decided to involve neopronouns into the issue. And then pretending that anyone who was on the "enemy" side was obviously a pronoun-hater and that was the entirety of the issue.

Intolerance towards genAI-hater trolls was never the issue, it was random mod actions against people who were not genAI-hater trolls. And then pretending that anyone who got the random unwarranted mod action was probably a genAI-hater troll.

Both of those are the dishonest framings that the people defending whatever weird decision love to use. And, no matter how often it's pointed out to them that some other people disagree with their framing, they simply ignore it, as if the person hadn't said anything at all, and repeat the framing that conveniently makes their answer the only possible answer. That is textbook tankie-instance behavior. It's part of what makes them insufferable to try to talk with. Even if your politics are clearly not tankie.

And, of course:

someone who went on a harassment campaign towards one of our users

Aha!

"One of our users."

That's the root of the issue, to me. You're starting to treat "your users" differently than other users.

One of your users spent part of yesterday following me around and replying to me in a few different threads demanding that I take part in an argument I'd already addressed and then told them I wasn't interested in continuing. Is that harassment? No, because it's your users.

There's this massive thread accusing PugJesus of all kinds of stuff: That he's pro-Israel, that he's a terminally online weirdo loser, that he never backs up anything he says, that he bans anyone who criticizes Israel, that he's transphobic and doesn't respect people's pronouns, that he's a twat, and so on. That's completely fine, because he's a "lib." He's the enemy. We can all yell at him, insult him, nothing needs to be justified, it's a big hateful groupthink that defines things in terms of enemies (and a crucial part is twisting things around so that someone can be defined as a horrifying enemy in some way, which is why they're pretending he is pro-Israel) and in-groups. Why is that all okay? Because he's not one of your users. He's the out-group, he is a liberal apparently.

In some forums, that kind of thing is disallowed. If you make personal attacks or insults, you get mod action. If you pretend someone said something they didn't say to stir up shit, you get mod action. Ada's description from a different domain was actually pretty good: There are certain types of respect that are not "a reward for good behaviour." They're just what we need to do for each other to keep the community on the rails. On most of Lemmy, the mod action for violating that kind of respect is overtly one-sided; if you're in the in-group, it's allowed, if you're aiming it towards the in-group, then you get mod action because it's a crisis.

Does that one-sided moderation, and officially badjacketing people as "Zionists" and genocide supporters and then going full-bore against them as a result, mean you're tankies? Not in the literal sense, no. But you're starting to act like the tankie instances, all of a sudden, when it seems to me like you used to be chill and sensible. You had your politics but you weren't dishonestly attacking and moderating against anyone who had some different kind of politics, and mobbing up against them like Lord of the Flies. Now it seems like you are, and it happened (from my POV at least) all of a sudden out of nowhere, and it's weird to me.

(Yes, I know what badjacketing means. I placed it in the sentence the way I did to make a point.)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Multithread crashout with enough paragraphs typed to fill a novella. This level of drama might be peak Lemmy thought crime policing. Peak liberal vs tankie on a topic unrelated to it. This thread (an argument loadstone which was irresistible) and the time ya'll have spent in is incredible. That's just imo, of course.

    But keep going, I'm loving reading all this!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Well fucking said!

    If I had more time and less depression, I'd start making YouTube videos breaking down this drama. Someone is gonna make a lot of money on that idea.

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    Every single one of the issues you’ve listed, you’ve reframed it into something different than it was. Neopronouns were never the issue, it was blahaj shielding a transphobic troll from criticism and banning people who complained about them (complained about them while using accepted pronouns, usually while explicitly saying ‘yes I’m fine using people’s pronouns’), purely because the troll cleverly decided to involve neopronouns into the issue. And then pretending that anyone who was on the “enemy” side was obviously a pronoun-hater and that was the entirety of the issue.

    That's your framing of the situation.

    An alternative perspective is that the "pronouns cannot relate to imaginary creatures" is gender gatekeeping.
    Drag was potentially trolling, but if nobody ever took the bait, nothing would have happened.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/39039162

    We can all yell at him, insult him, nothing needs to be justified

    People brought justifications

    In some forums, that kind of thing is disallowed. If you make personal attacks or insults, you get mod action

    Direct attacks are usually removed

    You had your politics but you weren’t dishonestly attacking

    I'm am going to be honest with you, I didn't expect you to make this kind of comments

    Cool! Now accuse him of caring way too much about politics, and getting in heated debates about it like a LOSER, speaking as you are from your lemmy.ml address. That’ll make perfect sense too.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49571446/20291493

    Also, not sure why it's not okay for dbzer0 to have a "our users" stance while you broadly categorize all .ml users as "losers"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    https://sopuli.xyz/post/30935971/18041817

    As said in the other comment, it's good that you clarified the "loser comment"

    Beyond that, we discussed most of the stuff in the other comment

    Just to reiterate,

    It’s up to you. I think it would be good to have another !yptb community that’s not satire or a one person creation.

    You could potentially enforce more respectful discussions there.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    People can use whatever pronouns they want and anyone pitching a fit about it are the ones who deserve scrutiny as far as I'm concerned.

    Drag always rubbed me the wrong way, always ready to jump right to calling people tankies without much interesting conversation to be had.

    If someone is trolling I'm going to ban them when they violate an actual rule, like telling people to kys, because anything else opens up the field for people like Pug to declare who is and isn't trans based on if they like their pronoun choice.

    Responding to PugJesus below me as I can't interact due to their ban:

    From my POV, you are pitching a fit over the pronouns by harping on about 'not believing dragons are real' - heres an example of you misgendering with 'his' while doing so. That invites extra scrutiny.

    in this thread the person was banned for saying "I don't think it's an unfair line to draw. We draw it at what's real and what's not. Gender as a spectrum is real."

    you replied in one comment saying

    … transphobia is when you don’t believe in dragons?

    How curious.

    What I conclude from this:

    When you are talking about belief in dragons what you are really doing is using that in as a stand-in to say ' only genders that are 'real' are acceptable to use'. That is gatekeeping.

    here you are doing it he same routine to a trans woman in that same thread. You called her a child and insane for saying 'you don't get to question someone's identity'.

    I don't believe in any magical creatures, but drag and anyone else should be able to use whatever pronouns they want because fuck gender.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Exist in what sense?

    In the sense of existing in the real world.

    If the former, why do you not take issue with singular they?

    Why on earth would I take issue with a grammatical usage case that predates Shakespeare?

    Would you argue there are no people who genuinely use “dragon” as their pronoun?

    Why would calling themselves something and asking others to call them something inherently make them something a human being literally cannot be on account of it being a fantasy creature?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Words are defined and redefined based on their real world usage, so if there were enough people describing themselves as dragons, the definition could be updated to account for that. Denying or ridiculing novelty or unorthodoxy would hamper progress in any movement, be it for religious freedoms or trans rights.

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    At the same time that doesn't give carte blanche for any word to mean anything. I could start using the word 'conservative' to mean 'socialist', but it would be ridiculous for me to attempt to force others to maintain that same usage, or even force them to acknowledge the usage's validity. The fluidity of language is not an argument for absolutist individualist interpretations of language, which is nothing less than an argument for the ultimate incoherence of language. Language changes with mass usage, not automatically with individual usage.

    Language is a form of communication first, and ornamentation second, not vice-versa.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (54 children)

    I disagree with your framing. I think you're being dishonest in your framing on what caused the mod actions. At the end of the day we and Ada are beholden to our respective users, and as it turns out, they think those were the right choices.

    And yes, we're going to take action about harassment of our own users, that's the duty of an instance admin. I want to point out however that all this brouhaha is over a 7days ban. Literally the mildest of punishments ever, and you're at the point of pondering what's rotten in the whole instance and writing walls of text, over a short term "chill out" ban.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (40 children)

    I disagree with your framing. I think you're being dishonest in your framing on what caused the mod actions.

    I can't count how many times someone on or off blahaj tried to explain that Dragonrider's trolling, encouraging other users to suicide, things like that, were the core of the issue. If you really want to join Ada in pretending that there's a whole Lemmy population that's just frothing at the mouth to dictate to other people what pronouns they can and can't use, and that was what got them heated up about Dragonrider and nothing about any of the other stuff, I won't stop you. I started to dig up old messages to put together a timeline, but then I realized I don't care and I think the issue is pretty clear enough already.

    At the end of the day we and Ada are beholden to our respective users, and as it turns out, they think those were the right choices.

    This was pretty much my point. lemmy.ml and Hexbear love how their admins behave, and that's all the admins feel like they need to know. My point was that (a) you're starting to operate along the same lines, it looks like, and (b) that's not always a good thing.

    I want to point out however that all this brouhaha is over a 7days ban.

    Personally, I don't care about the ban itself. I actually agree with you that PugJesus making a whole community to whine about how unfair it is is kind of childish. I care more about the bullying and fact-free mentality, that big thread with people making up nonsense about the target of the day.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This was pretty much my point. lemmy.ml and Hexbear love how their admins behave, and that’s all the admins feel like they need to know. My point was that (a) you’re starting to operate along the same lines, it looks like, and (b) that’s not always a good thing.

    Any admins should act upon harassment of one of their users, especially if the admins of the harassers don't.

    I care more about the bullying and fact-free mentality, that big thread with people making up nonsense about the target of the day.

    Isn't that the concept of !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com since its inception?

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    Honestly, I think calling what's ongoing "bullying" is kinda strange. If anything we wanted to cool the situation down.

    This was pretty much my point. lemmy.ml and Hexbear love how their admins behave, and that's all the admins feel like they need to know. My point was that (a) you're starting to operate along the same lines, it looks like, and (b) that's not always a good thing.

    I would rather show me which admins are more centered on what every rando on the internet thinks. Then I can point you to someone about to have a burnout.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (37 children)

    Honestly, I think calling what's ongoing "bullying" is kinda strange. If anything we wanted to cool the situation down.

    Quotes from the thread:

    The person in question is extremely rude and toxic. I have reached out to the LW admins regarding that he seems unfit to be moderating a dozen medium to larger communities. Unfortunately i didnt get any reply.

    I think he’s an obnoxious dickhead

    I remember his username and him being a twat

    He’s a genocide-supporting Zionist radlib

    a goddam stalker

    an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats

    And so on. There's plenty more, that's just what I had patience to dig up.

    I would rather show me which admins are more centered on what every rando on the internet thinks.

    Those aren't the only two options lol. I'm just saying that "Our users/tribe love that we always take the side of our users/tribe no matter the facts of the situation!" isn't the good justification that it sounds like, when you phrase it differently than I just did.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    Quotes from the thread:

    Not sure which thread you mean, but If you think people expressing their low opinions about someone is "bullying", then, well you haven't experienced bullying. And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion? Like, this is a legit absurd argument path.

    Those aren't the only two options lol. I'm just saying that "Our users/tribe love that we always take the side of our users/tribe no matter the facts of the situation!"

    It's easy to look right when fighting against strawmen.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (34 children)

    You just asked for examples of bullying, so I provided. What did you expect me to bring up, was someone sneaking through his window and punching him in the face? I'm not sure what other than personal insults could be meant by that. If it was bringing up examples of wrong things he did, then sure. Some people did that, some people lied about it (claiming he'd said one thing when he'd said the exact opposite), some people actively refused to provide any evidence but just threw insults at him and then peaced out. The first thing, I'd have no problem with, the others I feel like are worth worrying about at least a little bit.

    And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion?

    I want you to stop protecting the people you like from public opinion. I'm completely fine with everyone just being able to have their say, although maybe certain levels of personal abuse shouldn't be tolerated. But it's very clearly one-sided. The dbzer0 people have been describing downvoting as "abuse," so yes, I would say aiming extensive cursing and personal insults at someone and accusing them of things they didn't do can be "bullying," or at least something that's worthy of mods weighing in on it, like they would pounce instantly if someone said something about Sam Altman or something.

    Edit: Actually, maybe a better way to explain it: Go back to every one of the quotes I listed about PugJesus. If people came into a dbzer0 thread and said the exact same types of things about Ada, would that be okay? Or would it be a problem that required mod / admin attention?

    That's what bugs me about it, it's the blatant tribalism of it. You permabanned a trans person just recently because they tried (again, for the thousandth time) to explain what the issue was with Dragonrider, and you didn't like that, so ban for "pissy." They're not in the club, so fuck them. Everyone got all up in arms about ban reason "tankie," but you're fine with a comment being removed for the reason "shut the fuck up, liberal" (I actually 100% agree with removing the actual underlying comment -- my point is that the slurs are starting to be celebrated, and only go one way, and that's not a good thing.)

    One of your people has just recently invented a new slur ("slopper") to use to attack people they disagree with as they are being banned. I have no idea the context or what it means, although I can guess.

    You get the idea. I don't want to go back and forth about extensively. I have no idea how much of this is you, or the admin team, or whoever. I actually think probably most of what I see as most worrying is not coming from the admin team. But the culture shift is alarming to me. It's all about attack, slurs, new fun insults. We need to protect "our users" against downvotes. Other users, on other instances, who got rando-banned, well, fuck them, they're not "ours," so who cares.

    You get the idea. Maybe not. Anyway, that's what I think about it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    Why yes, we do tolerate people badmouthing Ada, dessalines, nutomic, and even our own admins. Hell I've personally tolerated dozens of angry hexbears trying to bully myself in my own thread in my own comm. We do indeed walk the walk.

    There's no "tribalism" here, no matter how much you keep repeating it. In all honestly it reads to me you're more upset people are not sufficiently polite in disagreement. Anarchists can and will be rude, especially towards people like PJ routinely but politely calling them "nazis" for not engaging in the electoralism farce. Nobody is under any onus to remain polite to spare your feelings, nor does this make is a "tribe" because we tend to attract anarchists who feel the same way about liberals.

    Fuck I don't even know at this point what your problem even is, that we attract like-minded people in our instance? We don't want to be lemmy.world for a reason and if you want that, well lemmy.world already exists.

    Seriously, We're not going to go around policing people for rudeness. This is absurd and will not work whatsoever.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (28 children)

    SoftestSapphic from https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/961853 (also snoogums)

    You probably are not aware, but that user is known to be toxic. A lot of the mod action reasons are "be respectful" or "civility"

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=18071443

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    Edit: Also, there's a difference between expressing low opinions about someone and directly insulting them.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    I don’t want to have this whole ridiculous debate again. I feel stupid even touching on it to this extent, I just wanted to give you that relevant context. You’re literally celebrating the dbzer0 admins for banning a trans person for trying to voice her objection to the performative and stupid way that trans issues are handled in some segments of Lemmy. In my world, she should be allowed to say that. In yours and dbzer0’s, apparently she should not, because db0 is the arbiter of whether trans issues are being handled correctly, and she is not, and she needs to obey their instructions for what she can and can’t speak up on.

    The majority of the users of Blahaj are trans too.

    I remember his username and him being a twat

    PJ himself admitted that being correct

    I mean tbf both of those are at least true

    https://lemmy.world/comment/18435763

    On top of that, the community is called !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, having this kind of statements regarding the reported power tripping mod is as old as the community.

    When you look at the recent thread about JordanLund (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48096338), you see things like

    It’s been a couple of weeks since @jordanlund@lemmy.world was in here defending genocide. I almost missed the ugly fucking zio. Automatic PTB for anything he touches with his scummy little fingers.

    You commented below it without seeing any issue.

    I’ll happily advocate for the Palestinians’ rights to kill as many of the IDF as they can manage. It won’t solve their problems, but they’ve got every right to do it, and nothing else that I can see will solve any of their problems other than better leadership in the US.

    I think you’ve probably understood me pretty well, what you decide about me is up to you just like it is for everyone else.

    Don’t go to lemmy.world, it’s a silly place, for this among some other reasons.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48096338/19830549

    What has changed since then?

    Honestly I thought you were smart and well-meaning, just kind of focused on growth of the community and creating positive things. The more I am looking into how dbzer0 does things, the more I think lumping them in with the tankie instances with their admin behavior fits pretty well, and I have no idea why you’re bending over backwards so far to defend them.

    As I mentioned in a previous comment you never replied to (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49728632/20305246)

    I'm am going to be honest with you, I didn't expect you to make this kind of comments

    Cool! Now accuse him of caring way too much about politics, and getting in heated debates about it like a LOSER, speaking as you are from your lemmy.ml address. That’ll make perfect sense too.

    Also, not sure why it’s not okay for dbzer0 to have a “our users” stance while you broadly categorize all .ml users as “losers”

    You are scrutinizing all dbzer0 mod actions to put them in the worst way possible, while nothing is new:

    • YPTB has always had some aggressive comments towards the reported power tripper
    • The dbzer0 stance on the drag matter is known, nothing new here
    • the pro / anti AI seems to be dbzer0 mods banning people who downvote their content on their communities, seems quite common across the platform

    If !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com seems too oriented for you, feel free to reanimate !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org or create another community. That would be interesting, to be honest.

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    I wasn’t implying people who care about politics on whatever side are losers. I was saying that people are accusing PugJesus of being a loser because he cares and argues about politics, and lemmy.ml is the glassiest of glass houses as far as that accusation.

    Ok, that makes more sense.

    I did think about “migrating” to some other place for the topics I care about that have communities like YPTB on dbzer0, but just like in the 196 case, it doesn’t really work entirely that way, and anyway if they continue to let me say what I want to say in YPTB, I probably won’t really care beyond just voicing my opinion on it all.

    It's up to you. I think it would be good to have another !yptb community that's not satire or a one person creation.

    You could potentially enforce more respectful discussions there.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    This is a direct consequence of having that community part of dbzer0.

    A community is still subject to the rules of the instance hosting it.

    A potential alternative would be to have the alternative community on an instance with a very few rules, but there's none that I know of at the moment.

    Israel, drag, AI, every topic would still come up in the comments of a new community, and the mods of that new community would probably have to take a stance on those, or just see endless slapfights in the comments

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I stand by my mod actions on SoftestSapphic. Folks can make their own assessment without having to suffer through your opinion.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    I think the modlogs 100% speak for themselves

    It all goes down to the drag issue in the end.

    Either you think neopronouns are a right (Blahaj, dbzer0) and cannot be removed under any pretext.

    Either you think neopronouns can be considered trolling under certain circumstances (LW apparently?)

    By the way, you said in a previous comment (https://quokk.au/comment/661634)

    Pretending that being trans is equivalent to being a dragon (along with things like encouraging other users to self-harm, because of course this person did, because they are a troll and trying to be cruel to trans people) was the issue.

    Drag got banned when drag encouraged people to self harm. The neopronoun thing was a separate matter (see above)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Exactly this. Xenopronouns are just as valid as any other pronoun. PJ and Philip seem to be mostly ok with "traditional" (lol) trans pronouns like "xir/xe" or "they/them" so they think they are good trans allies. But they are only allies to certain types of "mainstream" trans folks. Because everything has to be mainstream before a Democrat will ever consider supporting it, in my experience. The moment the pronouns get "too weird" they all start freaking out. Xenopronouns? Forget about it! I've even seen it argued that xenopronouns are anti-trans (somehow)? Who knows, but it seems there's a bunch of LW folks who seem to be that its fine to hate on folks who use them.

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    I edited the pronoun.

    Thanks for the citation.

    Even if Ada made a mistake (not banning drag soon enough), the conclusion is still the same: the decision of dbzer0 to keep that stance (neopronouns aren't debatable) is theirs, and if you willingly start to attack that stance, you're going to get actioned upon.

    On top of that SoftestSaphic seems to be incorrect

    Most of what you are saying is a lie? No one was saying the attack helicopter or litterbox stuff, nor were we defending trolls. What we said is use neopronouns when requested, and report trolls as usual. Refer to people as they ask or ignore them, don’t feed trolls if you think someone is a troll.

    People kept engaging with the trolls rather than doing what we asked.

    Honestly, people have no idea how to engage with trolling these days (don’t).

    https://sopuli.xyz/post/30807847/17981886

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    Also absolutely. 100%. Them laughing at SoftestSapphic when she’s trying to give some pretty pointed feedback on treatment of trans issues, and then banning her for being “pissy” / “shitty” because of it, really rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like that at all. And then yes the hypocrisy of doing that while flopping around like a soccer player moaning about “abuse” because people downvoted some of their precious content, is just extra icing on the bratty-adolescent cake.

    And you making that comment using that tone is contributing to the flamewar

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I understand why an instance staff wouldn't want to have posts questioning instance guidelines every week.

    Interestingly enough, in the case of anti AI bans, that topic was discussed on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49185248?scrollToComments=true , and it seems like both the mod and the person iniating the request found a way

    So no, it's not really "Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds"

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Probably x)

    Edit: just because you care about trans people

    In addition to simply brigading my communities I have had people harass me in DMs, make death threats towards me, and make fun of me for being a recovering alcoholic. I’ve had these people deny my gender identity, claim I’m a woman, deliberately use the wrong pronouns, and even one person impersonating me while acting like a pig. Really vile stuff.

    In short these are not knee jerk reactions, the vast majority of the bans I cast are for good reasons, and while I have made mistakes on occasion, the majority of these bans are correct, and I don’t believe we should be forced to allow known problematic users to hurt our communities just because they haven’t left comments there yet.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Ok basically your argument devolves to misrepresenting and trivializing why we took any admin actions. I think you're being massively disingenuous and not worth it discussing with at this point, but I'll repeat, if our instance members think we're as hypocritical as you do, they're welcome to open the relevant governance posts and reign us in. It won't happen, cause we aren't of course.

    Anyway I won't bother with this thread anymore. I have no patience for people who misrepresent the facts quite that much just to win internet arguments.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    People say this stuff and then claim that we're doing bad faith takes. Go figure.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Why, yes s it is bad faith to misrepresent the cause of the mod action and then double down on it.

    In any case, feel free to open a yptb post if you're do certain our cause was trivial.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    So you keep saying. I don't just think that, I know that. And given that it's very easy for people to call us out on it officially and yet nobody seems to want to, I'm fairly confident we've taken the right decision. Unlike other instances, we welcome criticism of admin actions as we don't think we're infallible.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why not use !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org or whatever other secondary ypt community there is?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    We've never banned people because they reported mod abuse from our own team. If people have been instance banned we would even allow others to open a yptb post on their behalf and I would personally even allow an alt.

    This is not idle talk either, we've done this already.

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