MangoCats comments on Linus Torvalds shares his thoughts on Anti-AI coding rules

[–] TwilightKiddy@scribe.disroot.org 8 points 4 weeks ago (-2 children)

Why the are you getting more text than you can physically review at your job? That sounds like a recipe for poor reviews. How are you sure LLMs are not missing anything if nobody actually has the time to read through all the text? Why does the text that gets to a developer contain logical mistakes in the first place? Back at my last job we had people assigned to collecting feature requests, talk them through with whoever wanted the feature implemented and produce proper specifications that developers would implement without wasting time on specifications containing garbage.

As does nearly every activity of life, both in human society and the natural world.

Yea, all people who drank water died. Not a very good argument. Most things don't have a mental disorder named after them. If I leave a webpage with a calculator running unattended it won't magically persuade a random visitor into commiting suicide. Webpages with LLM-powered chatbots are doing just that. You may choose to neglect it, but to me it sounds like adding lead to your gasoline. Yea, your car runs better. Are you sure it's worth it, though?

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago (-1 children)

Sounds nice. We’ve got ~500 employees at our “site” (which is now distributed across 3+ states with remote workers), of those, about 8 do software development, so developers end up doing virtually all of the translation of customer “needs” to specifications / requirements. We also have a marketing department that changes their mind about twice as fast as the product development / delivery cycle.

you're acting like the solution here is LLMs, when the solution is just hiring more people. LLMs aren't 'solving' anything, they're just masking the problem and allowing the millionaires at the top to keep making tons of money.

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[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 point 3 weeks ago (-1 children)

you’re acting like the solution here is LLMs

No, you're imagining that's what I wrote. LLMs are a tool, not a solution.

Fine, you’re acting like the tool for the solution is an LLM.

A helpful tool, very helpful in some situations.

X to doubt. My job is currently filled with people using LLMs and most of what I’m doing is undoing their shit our detangling whatever LLM output they paste

The real problem that people and LLMs struggle with is: what should we be doing in the first place? LLMs don't solve that,

Correct

they do accelerate the making of a software thing when you know what you want that software thing to be.

Incorrect. They accelerate making a ton of code that is impossible to maintain, update, etc. If you know what the software is, it was never writing it that was the hard part. That’s why senior+ developers have been saying for decades that the hard part of the job isn’t coding. It’s everything else.

They also accelerating the finding of flaws during the process, enabling cleaning those flaws out faster.

Incorrect. Like I said, half my job is reading over extremely verbose LLM bullshit from colleagues to tell them every single thing the LLM said incorrectly. That didn’t happen before LLMs. People checked their work. LLMs don’t have a mind, they cannot check their work.

That's not a problem for tools to solve, that's a societal problem that goes back to - at least - the start of agriculture.

I didn’t say it was a problem for tools to solve! But it sure is a problem tools can cause! And that’s exactly what’s happening here. It’s making everything so incredibly worse that there is literally no justification for it!