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How should roads be designed when micro mobility is the norm? (lemmy.world)
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Should motorbikes and cars share lanes? How to deal with left turns (the dangerous ones) in junctions? Should motorbikes and bikes have to do two-step left turn?

two-step left turn illustration

There's an idea that we should categorize vehicles as human-poweres or not. Is this a good idea? How about paddle-assist-only ebikes?

When there's not enough space for lanes, which type of vehicle get compromised?

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[–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

What a dumb and ignorant comment. Micromobility already is the norm in many places around the world. So yes, the problem should be discussed and solutions found. Thankfully many places already have solutions.

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  • [+] -13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)

    It isn’t THE NORM. It’s the exception to THE NORM. Learn the difference between these two things.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (10 children)

    ? In my neighborhood there are more bikes than cars, and in other cities like Montpellier, cars aren't even allowed to enter. Maybe you should learn that not every place is just like where you live.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

    NYC. Detroit, Chicago, LA, Boston….

    These places would like you to know that they also exist. I’m sure your little neighborhood’s cute, but the aforementioned will eat it alive without gaining a pound.

    You’re not removing cars.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Why are you being so absurdly condescending? At least learn to spell "without gaining a pound" first.

    And also, I live in Montréal, which is larger than half of those cities, but your point would be stupid regardles, beacuse, since you brought up NYC, only a quarter of new yorkers commute by car, a percentage which has been steadily dropping, because NYC is removing cars.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago

    I’m not gong to apologize for the enshitificarion of autocorrect and I don’t have enough respect for this discussion to bother going back over what I wrote to correct it.

    Secondly, I said a thing and got torn up by a bunch of asshoels. Yet you’re here to tell me I’m being condescending?

    LMAO!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. You literally listed cities that have massive transportation systems and an absolute fuckton of micromobility. You’re literally spewing shit out your ass and acting like it’s fact.

    It isn’t the norm. It’s the exception to the norm. Learn the difference between these two things.

    That’s not what that means. Holy shit you must be trolling or Russian. Get the fuck outta here.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children)

    I mentioned those cities because in them- cars are THE NORM, kid. And they will be- THE NORM, for a long- LONG fucking time. Just because they happen to have alternatives, doesn’t mean those alternatives are- wait for it….

    THE NORM-

    Which is what this entire fucking conversation is about.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    They literally aren’t haha. You didn’t even bother to look at the statistics you literally just made shit up. NYC only has like 20% car usage.

    You talk a lot of shit for someone that doesn’t seem to know anything about transportation.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Hey dumbass:

    • Staten Island: ~83% to 85% of households own a car; about 64% drive to work.
    • Queens: ~62% to 63% of households own a car; about 38% drive to work
    • Brooklyn: ~44% to 45% of households own a car.
    • The Bronx: ~40% of households own a car.
    • Manhattan: ~22% to 23% of households own a car; only about 7% to 8% drive to work.
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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    HAHA. holy shit you literally had to go cherry pick the data to make it look like you researched it. Sadly I had already looked it all up before commenting.

    https://a816-dohbesp.nyc.gov/IndicatorPublic/data-explorer/walking-driving-and-cycling/?id=2415&MeasureID=1304&GeoType=NTA&TimePeriodID=287&overlay=table

    Good grief you can’t even troll properly.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    hAhAhaHaHAha! You think simply looking something up is cherry picking data? And when did I say I researched it, or even imply that it was even necessary?

    I simply loooed it up. It took 10 seconds to prove you wrong. Grow up kid. You’re desperate for whatever endorphins you can get from arguing with people online.

    I’m blocking you now. Go annoy someone else.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    For the ones that want the actual numbers (not cherry-picked bullshit) here you go!

    The only borough that has above 50% car usage is Staten Island. NYC as a whole is at 26.7% car usage. Queens has high car usage and yet Public transit is more than 10% higher.

    You can easily get this data from NYC's data portal. https://a816-dohbesp.nyc.gov/IndicatorPublic/data-explorer/walking-driving-and-cycling/?id=2415&MeasureID=1304&GeoType=NTA&TimePeriodID=287&overlay=table

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