▲ 330 ▼ Scientists trusted less than businessmen when discussing social issues, study finds (www.manchester.ac.uk) submitted 2 weeks ago by Orwi@programming.dev to c/science@lemmy.world 77 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] eurodyne@piefed.world 148 points 2 weeks ago (23 children) What the fuck is wrong with people? permalink fedilink source hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 104 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) people are very stupid and gullible, on average, and groups of people even moreso business people have (or are) marketing people, which is effectively the discipline of socially engineering people to buy your shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) For the guys that get their opinions from businessmen: you ooga booga as fuck, dum dum businessman manipulate yo ooga booga ass wid fancy word permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Wat permalink fedilink source parent [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago Corporations own the media, not scientists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jtrek@startrek.website 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) People are emotionally driven. Everyone is, to an extent. Scientists are less likely to use that to support their point, or they'll have emotionally displeasing things to say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) I'm a scientist, can confirm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LiarAmongAll@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 weeks ago Well pretend your science is more emotional, Mr scientist! We need to convince the masses, throw a "damn" or two in your sentences, save our planet and pretend for a second science has led to innovation after innovation that has changed quality and ability of life for billions... Yeah, damnit, nothing emotional about science, let's just keep it boring permalink fedilink source parent [–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago My suspicion is social media. The hustle culture and billionaires are glazed over; as in there is subliminal messaging to condition to the plebians to worship the rich and lick their boots. permalink fedilink source parent [–] likebudda@reddthat.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) It's about style. Who are you going to believe, academics who are careful in what they claim and are forever hedging because even 6 sigma isn't 100% or business people who are absolutely certain when they speak whether their certainty is warranted or not? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago I know who I trust more but that’s because I’m not a product of the American education system permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago True, and for comparison businesspeople speak out their ass with a level of certainty not even engineers can manage permalink fedilink source parent [–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago they are stupid and don't even believe basic history like palestine for the last 150 years permalink fedilink source parent [–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) I want to scratch the surface and look slightly deeper at this. I think we all agree on the one hand “Science, duh.” and this kind of headline is of course dispiriting. It sparked an interesting thought for me though. What role does “trust” actually play in science? Scientists certainly don’t operate on trust with one another. The entire practice is based on peer-critique and no one’s results are trusted until someone has repeated them. Yet somehow we think there is a boundary on this, a sort of outer membrane past which everyone who is outside any scientific field is just supposed to “trust science,” when science itself is a huge, distributed, diverse, and not always especially accountable or even identifiable conglomeration of different people. Not all science is carried out with the same rigor, the same sample size, and there is membership card. A corporation can conduct science. A private individual can conduct science. Exactly who and where is this “Science” we are meant to even trust? Every study I’ve ever seen shared on Lemmy is looked at critically. There’s no “trust” about it. So not to trust science honestly sounds like the most scientific thing for a smart person to do. Science also doesn’t require trust. It operates on proof, openness, repeatable experiments and data. Science never asks for “trust.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yuknowhokat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago We should expect the results that scientists have tried to debunk and failed to be trusted. You know, the repeated results after the initial claim. Unfortunately most of the people at least in the US don't understand any part of the way science works to come to a conclusion that's accepted by most scientists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (6 children) I think the people of this country have had enough of experts Michael Gove permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] eurodyne@piefed.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children) Eh… shitty people exist outside of the United States. We just happen to be very loud about it. Take, for example, the British. They’re huge assholes, too. Have been for centuries. And everyone hated them the most long before we Americans came along. And, of course, it makes total sense that our country is one of their offspring, so to speak. Funny how the Canadians turned out to be so polite. The jury is still out on the Australians… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Canadian politeness is founded on ignoring the genocide at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Mmm I’m pretty sure I can be polite and recognize generational trauma of indigenous peoples permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Australians are the Gen X of the world, a bunch of cunts, best ignored. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TraipsersWill@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago The Australian jury has gone down to the pub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago Not really sure what that has to do with my comment. On a side note Australians are known to be racist cunts. New Zealander's are by accounts the equivalent of Canadians permalink fedilink source parent [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago They've been raised in a culture that has taught them "freedom" means being addicted to entertainment and convenience, and that everyone who doesn't look, act and believe like they do is an existential threat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago* Rich people own and run the media. That's just one thing that's wrong with them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 104 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) people are very stupid and gullible, on average, and groups of people even moreso business people have (or are) marketing people, which is effectively the discipline of socially engineering people to buy your shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) For the guys that get their opinions from businessmen: you ooga booga as fuck, dum dum businessman manipulate yo ooga booga ass wid fancy word permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Wat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) For the guys that get their opinions from businessmen: you ooga booga as fuck, dum dum businessman manipulate yo ooga booga ass wid fancy word permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Wat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago Corporations own the media, not scientists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jtrek@startrek.website 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) People are emotionally driven. Everyone is, to an extent. Scientists are less likely to use that to support their point, or they'll have emotionally displeasing things to say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) I'm a scientist, can confirm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LiarAmongAll@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 weeks ago Well pretend your science is more emotional, Mr scientist! We need to convince the masses, throw a "damn" or two in your sentences, save our planet and pretend for a second science has led to innovation after innovation that has changed quality and ability of life for billions... Yeah, damnit, nothing emotional about science, let's just keep it boring permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) I'm a scientist, can confirm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LiarAmongAll@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 weeks ago Well pretend your science is more emotional, Mr scientist! We need to convince the masses, throw a "damn" or two in your sentences, save our planet and pretend for a second science has led to innovation after innovation that has changed quality and ability of life for billions... Yeah, damnit, nothing emotional about science, let's just keep it boring permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LiarAmongAll@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 weeks ago Well pretend your science is more emotional, Mr scientist! We need to convince the masses, throw a "damn" or two in your sentences, save our planet and pretend for a second science has led to innovation after innovation that has changed quality and ability of life for billions... Yeah, damnit, nothing emotional about science, let's just keep it boring permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago My suspicion is social media. The hustle culture and billionaires are glazed over; as in there is subliminal messaging to condition to the plebians to worship the rich and lick their boots. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] likebudda@reddthat.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) It's about style. Who are you going to believe, academics who are careful in what they claim and are forever hedging because even 6 sigma isn't 100% or business people who are absolutely certain when they speak whether their certainty is warranted or not? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago I know who I trust more but that’s because I’m not a product of the American education system permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago True, and for comparison businesspeople speak out their ass with a level of certainty not even engineers can manage permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago I know who I trust more but that’s because I’m not a product of the American education system permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago True, and for comparison businesspeople speak out their ass with a level of certainty not even engineers can manage permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago they are stupid and don't even believe basic history like palestine for the last 150 years permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) I want to scratch the surface and look slightly deeper at this. I think we all agree on the one hand “Science, duh.” and this kind of headline is of course dispiriting. It sparked an interesting thought for me though. What role does “trust” actually play in science? Scientists certainly don’t operate on trust with one another. The entire practice is based on peer-critique and no one’s results are trusted until someone has repeated them. Yet somehow we think there is a boundary on this, a sort of outer membrane past which everyone who is outside any scientific field is just supposed to “trust science,” when science itself is a huge, distributed, diverse, and not always especially accountable or even identifiable conglomeration of different people. Not all science is carried out with the same rigor, the same sample size, and there is membership card. A corporation can conduct science. A private individual can conduct science. Exactly who and where is this “Science” we are meant to even trust? Every study I’ve ever seen shared on Lemmy is looked at critically. There’s no “trust” about it. So not to trust science honestly sounds like the most scientific thing for a smart person to do. Science also doesn’t require trust. It operates on proof, openness, repeatable experiments and data. Science never asks for “trust.” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yuknowhokat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago We should expect the results that scientists have tried to debunk and failed to be trusted. You know, the repeated results after the initial claim. Unfortunately most of the people at least in the US don't understand any part of the way science works to come to a conclusion that's accepted by most scientists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yuknowhokat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago We should expect the results that scientists have tried to debunk and failed to be trusted. You know, the repeated results after the initial claim. Unfortunately most of the people at least in the US don't understand any part of the way science works to come to a conclusion that's accepted by most scientists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (6 children) I think the people of this country have had enough of experts Michael Gove permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] eurodyne@piefed.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children) Eh… shitty people exist outside of the United States. We just happen to be very loud about it. Take, for example, the British. They’re huge assholes, too. Have been for centuries. And everyone hated them the most long before we Americans came along. And, of course, it makes total sense that our country is one of their offspring, so to speak. Funny how the Canadians turned out to be so polite. The jury is still out on the Australians… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Canadian politeness is founded on ignoring the genocide at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Mmm I’m pretty sure I can be polite and recognize generational trauma of indigenous peoples permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Australians are the Gen X of the world, a bunch of cunts, best ignored. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TraipsersWill@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago The Australian jury has gone down to the pub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago Not really sure what that has to do with my comment. On a side note Australians are known to be racist cunts. New Zealander's are by accounts the equivalent of Canadians permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eurodyne@piefed.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children) Eh… shitty people exist outside of the United States. We just happen to be very loud about it. Take, for example, the British. They’re huge assholes, too. Have been for centuries. And everyone hated them the most long before we Americans came along. And, of course, it makes total sense that our country is one of their offspring, so to speak. Funny how the Canadians turned out to be so polite. The jury is still out on the Australians… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Canadian politeness is founded on ignoring the genocide at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Mmm I’m pretty sure I can be polite and recognize generational trauma of indigenous peoples permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Australians are the Gen X of the world, a bunch of cunts, best ignored. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TraipsersWill@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago The Australian jury has gone down to the pub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago Not really sure what that has to do with my comment. On a side note Australians are known to be racist cunts. New Zealander's are by accounts the equivalent of Canadians permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Canadian politeness is founded on ignoring the genocide at home. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Mmm I’m pretty sure I can be polite and recognize generational trauma of indigenous peoples permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kellenved@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 weeks ago Mmm I’m pretty sure I can be polite and recognize generational trauma of indigenous peoples permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago Australians are the Gen X of the world, a bunch of cunts, best ignored. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TraipsersWill@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago The Australian jury has gone down to the pub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago Not really sure what that has to do with my comment. On a side note Australians are known to be racist cunts. New Zealander's are by accounts the equivalent of Canadians permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago They've been raised in a culture that has taught them "freedom" means being addicted to entertainment and convenience, and that everyone who doesn't look, act and believe like they do is an existential threat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago* Rich people own and run the media. That's just one thing that's wrong with them. permalink fedilink source parent