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[–] 148 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

What the fuck is wrong with people?

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  • [–] 104 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
    • people are very stupid and gullible, on average, and groups of people even moreso
    • business people have (or are) marketing people, which is effectively the discipline of socially engineering people to buy your shit
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  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    People are emotionally driven. Everyone is, to an extent. Scientists are less likely to use that to support their point, or they'll have emotionally displeasing things to say.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I'm a scientist, can confirm.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Well pretend your science is more emotional, Mr scientist! We need to convince the masses, throw a "damn" or two in your sentences, save our planet and pretend for a second science has led to innovation after innovation that has changed quality and ability of life for billions... Yeah, damnit, nothing emotional about science, let's just keep it boring

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It's about style. Who are you going to believe, academics who are careful in what they claim and are forever hedging because even 6 sigma isn't 100% or business people who are absolutely certain when they speak whether their certainty is warranted or not?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I want to scratch the surface and look slightly deeper at this. I think we all agree on the one hand “Science, duh.” and this kind of headline is of course dispiriting.

    It sparked an interesting thought for me though. What role does “trust” actually play in science? Scientists certainly don’t operate on trust with one another. The entire practice is based on peer-critique and no one’s results are trusted until someone has repeated them.

    Yet somehow we think there is a boundary on this, a sort of outer membrane past which everyone who is outside any scientific field is just supposed to “trust science,” when science itself is a huge, distributed, diverse, and not always especially accountable or even identifiable conglomeration of different people. Not all science is carried out with the same rigor, the same sample size, and there is membership card. A corporation can conduct science. A private individual can conduct science. Exactly who and where is this “Science” we are meant to even trust?

    Every study I’ve ever seen shared on Lemmy is looked at critically. There’s no “trust” about it.

    So not to trust science honestly sounds like the most scientific thing for a smart person to do. Science also doesn’t require trust. It operates on proof, openness, repeatable experiments and data. Science never asks for “trust.”

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    We should expect the results that scientists have tried to debunk and failed to be trusted. You know, the repeated results after the initial claim. Unfortunately most of the people at least in the US don't understand any part of the way science works to come to a conclusion that's accepted by most scientists.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    I think the people of this country have had enough of experts

    Michael Gove

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    Eh… shitty people exist outside of the United States. We just happen to be very loud about it.

    Take, for example, the British. They’re huge assholes, too. Have been for centuries. And everyone hated them the most long before we Americans came along. And, of course, it makes total sense that our country is one of their offspring, so to speak. Funny how the Canadians turned out to be so polite. The jury is still out on the Australians…

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