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A month before an election!? BlooMAGA, amirite??? (lemmy.world)
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[–] 9 points 1 month ago (18 children)

the "good society is a mix of isms" line is classic lib dead-enderism. it sounds reasonable but it's a way of never committing to anything that would actually challenge capital.

i am opposed to a system that unpersons people just because they can't pay rent, your 'way left of biden' horizon stops way short of that.

you seem to resort to thought-terminating cliches to shut down any serious discussion of a change to that system and without engaging with the material conditions those states that did challenge that system operated under.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    A government of ideological purity is also a dead end. I agree with you that there is no excuse for tossing people out like trash because they cant keep up with the capitalist rat race. It's absolute bullshit, and proof positive the USA needs more socialism. The more robust the social safety net, the less that can happen.

    You seem to need to misinterpret, and put words in my mouth to make your point, which makes the point questionable at best. A 'mix of isms' doesn't mean all isms should be treated equally, and the mix in the USA is horribly off base.

    I want: stronger labor unions that encompass more industries, large increase in wages / the minimum wage. Four day workweek with no pay reduction. Massive reduction in runaway defense spending, and funds conditional on mandatory audits being passed. New improved trust busters equipped to break up modern style monopolies. Renewed focus on spending local and self/community reliance to reduce the power of mega corps, Policing reform with much more training and the requirement for police to carry liability insurance. Strong shift away from burning fossil fuels as an energy source. The list goes on and on, and I'm sure there are many points we agree on.

    I do what I can as an individual, but of course I'm still working on it. What do you commit to? So far I'm not sure.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

    yes i get that you're a social democrat, you already made that clear. you goals are to stay entirely within capitalism with a handful of minor reforms to attempt to manage capital rather than actually challenge it.

    what's your plan for when capital pushes back against your reforms? i don't think your framework has an answer outside of wishful thinking.

    What do you commit to? So far I’m not sure.

    i vote in every fucking primary, municipal election and offyear election. i don't participate in electoral campaigns because it's a waste of energy. my organizing work is with antiwar groups and other anarchists making sure people in my city have food.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

    You're putting words in my mouth again. I applaud you being anti war and helping feed your community. I think the role capitalism plays in society needs to be massively reduced for sure. Capital only cares at all when you hit them in the wallet, so I try to do that wherever possible.

    Your animosity towards those who dont pass your purity test isn't helpful, and won't help build momentum for your goals, whatever they are.

    For the record I am registered independent, though I do vote for democrats most of the time. I try to pull things left in the primaries as much as possible and I'm not too good to choose the least bad option in the general.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    disagreeing with your politics isn't a purity test... its a political disagreement. it is also a pretty transparent double standard on your part. in this thread you felt free to complain about 'tankies' as a broad and poorly-defined category, but people being opposed to preserving capitalism is a purity test.

    Capital only cares at all when you hit them in the wallet, so I try to do that wherever possible.

    it sounds like you agree with me, but then refuse to engage with politics that is motivated to actually do that

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Okay so let's engage. What are you doing to 'actually challenge capital'? I'm always looking for new good ideas.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    i already stated what i am doing. my work is primarily in mutual aid and antiwar protesting. ie making sure people in your immediate community can eat, building non-commodified spaces that demonstrate things can work differently. for antiwar protests i've done everything from letter writing to bird-dogging my reps/senators. i've been doing tenant union organizing for years. i do other things too, but i'm not going to broadcast those here.

    none of it is glamorous but it builds real relationships and real power outside the state and capital, which is the point.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

    That's all good stuff, I don't see our standpoints as mutually exclusive at all. What are some policy goals you support to bring the government more in line with your views? Or is that not something you believe in?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    as a start?

    decommodify housing, end arrests for homelessness and public camping, universal healthcare independent of employment, universal childcare, free higher education, universal free pubic transit, dismantle the military-prison-border complex and use all of that money towards social infrastructure, abolish the supreme court, abolish the senate, destroy every nuclear weapon

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Agreed on all points. For the abolishing supreme court and senate part, I agree in theory, but I'd require a detailed plan for what comes after legally, so as not to just invite a new breed of corruption to take the place of the old.

    We aren't enemies, or even very ideologically opposed at all, and we need as many standing in solidarity as possible to have even a chance of toppling the capitalist behemoth in any meaningfull way.

    Wishing you the best in your efforts to help your community.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I agree in theory, but I’d require a detailed plan for what comes after legally, so as not to just invite a new breed of corruption to take the place of the old.

    the senate just shouldn't exist; it exists to give slave states a veto over any democratic majority. unicameral proportional legislature would be orders of magnitude more democratic than what we have now.

    courts and judges are mechanisms of state power that enforce property relations and class hierarchy. as a first step i'd like to see restorative/transformative justice approaches instead of punitive and community accountable practices instead of state violence.

    as for the supreme court i don't think it needs to exist with a bunch of life-term assholes in robes appointed by politicians making the calls. randomly select large panels of citizens for each case, like it's a jury but for constitutional questions.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I'd support all of that, while keeping a keen eye out for corporate interests trying to co-opt and corrupt any new rule set to maintain their stranglehold on power.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    good to hear. the point of decommodifying housing and abolishing/nationalizing the various monopolies dominating our lives is so that those corporate interests do not exist and cannot exert power on the political economy.

    i fear that trying to control these capital formations without crushing them first is going to be a losing battle no matter what changes you try to make. that's my main criticism of the liberal track, i don't think there's any real way these things can be controlled.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I hear you. I just don't know how that happens without violent revolution , which I'd never rule out entirely, but my reading of history leaves me very skeptical that would end up where I want it to.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    my reading of history leaves me very skeptical that would end up where I want it to.

    it rarely does, and i certainly don't pretend that i have any special knowledge about how to shape that. however, what we have now is not sustainable, it's been effectively uniparty capitalist rule. yeah the colors and culture wars change, the line goes up, but the political economy has fundamentally been in stasis. a political stasis is not a stable situation, it's a powder keg waiting to go.

    the reason i prefer to work on dual power is because when it does go up the only path forward from there that i see is to have an existing network of people i already know who want to work on shared goals (opposing and undermining capitalism). that network of people i have so far is a lot of marxists and anarchists because they're the ones actually seeing the problem and willing to put in the effort now.

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