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A Stanford University professor wrote an article about how the grad students going on strike are supposedly extremely selfish people (lemmy.world)
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https://stanforddaily.com/2024/11/10/selfishness-of-stanford-graduate-students/

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[+] -15 points 1 year ago (23 children)

I think you may be taking this wrong. The problem is that universities are severely underfunded and always have been. They simply don't have the money to pay a living wage to grad students. When forced to do so, some universities have simply dissolved student positions as a response.

The problem isn't the university or this professor. The problem is why we aren't funding these better so that they can pay a reasonable wage.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Stanford is private with an endowment over $35 billion and charges $25 grand per semester for graduate programs. I'm not interested in my tax dollars funding a private college primarily for rich assholes.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Billions of your tax dollars already go there to fund research. That is how universities work, public or private.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm aware, that doesn't mean I agree with it or support more money being siphoned from the working class to the elite.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It’s an endowment, they can’t just empty that pool of money they take around 4% of the money each year that they get from investments which ends up being around 10% of their budget

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    That's still 1.4B a year. They get $1.1 B in tuition a year. That's $2.5B. They have 2300 professors. At $200k salary that's only $0.4B of the $2.5B.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    They also have 12.8 square miles of campus to maintain… which requires a lot more than just the 2300 professors. They also have adjunct professors, lab managers, researcher techs, facilities, and a ton of other expenses that are required from an R1 research university.

    The grad students while they don’t get a “livable wage” do get their tuition comped and get a housing stipend. Like we can always do better but undergrad students are being done much dirtier than grad students as they are going into huge amounts of debt to try and even afford tuition

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    adjunct professors, lab managers, researcher techs

    Those all fall into the underpaid category too. Adjunct professor is particularly abused.

    $2.5B from tuition and endowment, $2.2B in sponsors and $1.6B in donations. $6.3B a year income. 27.4k total employees. If each and every employee was paid $100k, that's $2.7B for salaries.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You know you can just look at their budget right?

    https://budget.stanford.edu/budget-plans

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Great link. Thanks!

    There are interesting expenses in there. Like $178M spent for travel and food. I wonder how many teaching assistants and adjunct professors get private jets and private chefs like the President and his executive staff and all the Deans and their staff. I had a friend 10 ago who applied for the job to be the private chef for a dean in a medium college.

    https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Stanford_Research_Scandal

    Those perks didn't end when the scandal was exposed. They only changed to take the money for perks from tuition instead of the government.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    They get regularly audited which is why the scandal was caught, they still can’t misuse tuition funds either. Travel and food expenses mimics gsa travel expenses but then they also have multiple dining halls and catering. Why are you trying so hard to make mountains out of mole hills it’s like you are begging for everything to be a giant conspiracy

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Dining halls isn't "food expense". Student dining halls are paid for by meal plans.

    Catering private parties with private chefs is a big part of management in acedemia. That's part of the reason why they can't afford to give raises. The deans want their galas.

    Why are you trying so hard to make mountains out of mole

    Why are you ignoring that the income vs salary doesn't add up? Private chefs isn't something regular low level executives get outside of acedemia.

    giant conspiracy

    It's not a giant conspiracy when it's documented.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2017/05/25/examination-growing-number-perks-and-bonuses-college-presidents-essay

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They are paid for by meal plans that count as income and are paid out as an expense… that’s how a budget works

    After you mentioned the private chefs I tried searching for private chefs at Stanford and there was no prior job histories for it or current job openings for it. They have an executive chef but that is a dining hall position.

    They aren’t hosting constant galas and most schools have contracts with companies like Sysco that require all catering events on campus to be supplied by Sysco so it’s not like it’s super high quality food either

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You and I are the only people in this thread with actual experience at a university. The rest are just looking for places to project their anger and general malaise.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I worked at a university, did research at a university and was a student. There is obviously waste and definitely some amount of grift but the auditing requirements in place to prevent grift are arguably so strict that they cause as much or more waste as they save in grift.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're right, we need to continue concentrating the salaries in the administration department!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You have to understand that the teaching assistants can't teach effectively unless the Dean gets his $50k/year mortgage paid for by the university along with a new car.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/advice/2017/05/25/examination-growing-number-perks-and-bonuses-college-presidents-essay

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