ourselves comments on Edward Snowden warned us and most people forgot about him. "Oliver Stone’s Snowden film remains a terrifying surveillance warning 10 years on."

[–] ourselves@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I watched that movie with my girlfriend at the time and her father. After the movie had ended and the credits rolled, her father turned to us and simply said "He is a traitor". I fucking hated her father so much lol

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Well, he is, and that's why he's based. He betrayed the state and stood with the people

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[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

TBF he did attempt to flee to China then successfully fled to Russia.

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[–] Squirrelknight@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Where was he supposed to go? London? Paris? You think US allies wouldn't hand him over when asked?

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[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

France did speak out against the USA publicly after the news broke, so that was one option, yes. TBH Snowden had no reason to believe Russia or China would keep him after he already outlived his usefulness, unless perhaps they still think he's useful even now.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

France did speak out against the USA publicly after the news broke, so that was one option, yes.

LOL no it fucking wasn't an option, France and the EU have an extradition treaty with the US and would absolutely have turned him over.

Talk is cheap, especially when you know you wont have to back up your words with actions.

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[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

After the US had revoked his passport, while he was already in Russia, en route to Ecuador.

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[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -12 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

Then he shouldn't have picked China and Russia as his first two options. While speaking with reporters he was already in Hong Kong intending to cross into China but realized they have an extradition agreement with the USA.

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[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

intending to cross into China

This is simply not true. Source?

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[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -8 points 1 month ago

It simply makes no sense otherwise why he would go to Hong Kong before leaking the intel, and then with China puing strings to get him into Russia after his failure to reach Cuba or Ecuador.