InternetCitizen2 comments on Entry #1: the entire .ml user base

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

so is this metaphor supposed to imply that i should be okay with my ‘allies’ abandoning me and other trans people in the name of their third position democrat schemes?

Its possible they might need to. I know I already have been left behind. All war is class war. All war is difficult. I don't blame you for not having the heart for it. Should the CPC taken a heroic stand? At the start of it they had a series of set backs and it was clear to their commanders that they were on the brink of total defeat; hence why they made the call they did.

the point isn’t just the money, it’s that it’s a massive time and personnel sink to pursue that across the country.

You don't have to take the point to lead the electoral part. I am not asking you to. No one is. You are being asked that when an uncomfortable, but strategic you should be ready to play your role in it.

I am not lucky enough to live in a blue place. I live in Texas and have family scattered around. Some even in Mexico. We are not going to see the fruit of any DSA growth in NYC or its spread to other cities for a while. Let alone anything PSL.

We as leftist are on a total back foot as far as our causes go. It is unwise to also be picky eaters as to where our influence might grow.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

the analogy only works if the democrats are the CPC, which they very much are not. they certainly are not interested in building independent revolutionary power and will sabotage any attempt at it.

All war is class war.

it's not tho, the slogan is 'no war but the class war'.

additionally there's a distinction between wars of national liberation, defensive wars against genocide, and inter-imperialist conflicts that workers have no stake in.

You are being asked that when an uncomfortable, but strategic you should be ready to play your role in it.

if a party don't share any core values or objectives with me and considers me and people like me expendable, it is not strategic to vote for them. Have you ever tried to ask a democrat politician to do something they didn't already want to do?

I am not lucky enough to live in a blue place.

it's not like i was born here, i had to work hard for this. the vast majority of whatever family remains for me is on the other side of the planet. i prefer to focus on the people in my life in the here and now, and they are actively being harmed by democrats who choose to comply with trump against all protestation.

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

f a party don’t share any core values or objectives with me and considers me and people like me expendable, it is not strategic to vote for them. Have you ever tried to ask a democrat politician to do something they didn’t already want to do?

And no one is saying you need to join the party. Just to be strategic about the matters. Simply refusing to participate in because of your purity seems to me that you are not serious about the issues. You are functionally saying that there is opposition so you are just folding.

it’s not like i was born here, i had to work hard for this.

And I am happy for you, but regardless of how hard you worked for it, it is still a point of privileged for you. Lot of people like you have also worked hard, yet they don't have the same result to show for it or anywhere close. They are also facing a possible uninspiring dem flipping their red senate in texas or a county seat or a crusader rep. There is no good option, but there is still a preferable. Your position is to simply say to bad and offer no assistance as it makes you feel dirty.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

And no one is saying you need to join the party.

i mean yeah including me, cause i didn't say that. i even said i vote in democrat primaries; if someone shitty wins the dem primary (like usual) then them winning the state is already a fait accompli. i don't see what's the goal of demanding i vote for them or display 'loyalty' at that point.

You are functionally saying that there is opposition so you are just folding.

no i am saying that if democrat politicians would rather arrest my comrades than stand up to trump, they are not people i am going to support. rather than participating in an electoral charade around these kinds of people i would rather engage in direct action with other likeminded people to embarrass them and highlight their supreme cowardice. trying to invoke communist terms in order to get me to support people that are manifestly not communists is not going to sway me.

it is still a point of privileged for you.

nowhere have i said not to vote, i probably vote more regularly than most of these blue maga cultists.

however, it's just a waste of time and effort to try to sway a bunch of suburban hitlers to vote for someone that doesn't suck ass. i prefer to work outside of electoral politics with people that don't take that level of convincing. i also sincerely think that working outside of electoral politics is a better strategic decision than putting any effort into a party that would rather see me dead.

what good is living in a blue state if your spineless democratic government is doing whatever trump says in advance? not to mention how they've been allowing fascist goon squads to kidnap people off the street.

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

what good is living in a blue state if your spineless democratic government is doing whatever trump says in advance? not to mention how they’ve been allowing fascist goon squads to kidnap people off the street.

That you no longer have to vote blue no matter who and start pushing more safely DSA/PSL. Going dem is not the end goal.

Talk to your fellow MLs about being strategic and pragmatic.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

Talk to your fellow MLs about being strategic and pragmatic.

as i keep saying, i'm an anarchist; pretty much all of the anarchists and marxists i know personally vote in the same way i do.

engaging in these threads always feels like other people are arguing with a caricature of me in their head rather than engaging with what i'm saying.

That you no longer have to vote blue no matter who and start pushing more safely DSA/PSL.

and in return i get to have democrat die-hards telling me that i'm a trump or russia supporter for that.

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[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago

and in return i get to have democrat die-hards telling me that i'm a trump or russia supporter for that.

Its unfortunate they don't get it, but they either make concession to us or we make a credible spoiler to the election.

At the end of it we are not going to stop going left the way we won't stop for maga.

as i keep saying, i'm an anarchist;

You'd be a better messenger.

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