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Can I get a smug lecture on how you're choosing the third, disconnected track?

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[–] -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The reason I talk past you is because you consistently get your facts completely wrong. They're not even wrong, just plain terrible. Here's an easy example:

indescriminate drone bombings enacted under Obama

No! The refugee crisis has roots in the Iraq war that killed a million Iraqis and was started by ... You know who, but somehow keep ignoring the most obvious simple glaring facts, because you need to distort everything as democrat's fault.

Absolute ghoul. You have absolutely no shame, do you?

Again. No. Those girls would be alive today if it wasn't for the R president currently in charge. This is a fact, you cannot in any way distort it and point out how a democrat would have done the same. They absolutely, undeniably would be alive still today.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    The reason I talk past you is because you consistently get your facts completely wrong.

    Congratulations! You managed to answer a question! Your logic is incredible questionable though, since what one does when they encounter misinformation is to address it, as I've been doing with yours. It also makes your position appear incredibly weak, since you dont dare actually address the person disagreeing with you or their points. I gotta say, your reasoning is so shitty it sounds like a lie. Seems like a more probable explanation would be something like: You can't actually argue against the actual position, and you dont feel comfortable investigating your own beliefs so as to understand why that might be, so instead you construct a crude strawman, which lets you rest comfortably.

    No! The refugee crisis has roots in the Iraq war that killed a million Iraqis and was started by … You know who,

    And hey, who kept it going??? Hmmm???? Weird how you absolve that person. Weird how you absolve that person from INCREASING THE TROOPS COUNT and THE SURGE. Weird how you blame republicans for something that happened SEVERAL YEARS into a democratic presidency. Speaking of: The majority of refugees did not come from Iraq, they came from Syria, which was a result of a regime-change operation put into effect by Obama.

    but somehow keep ignoring the most obvious simple glaring facts, because you need to distort everything as democrat’s fault.

    No? I correctly describe the democrats as also being at fault something you try to absolve them of.

    Those girls would be alive today if it wasn’t for the R president currently in charge.

    Oh so we are using dead victims of fascist mass murder in order to write AU-fiction? Fucked up.
    In actuality there is no way to know what would have happened if Trump werent the one currently in charge. All we can do is look at past actions and stated intentions. Past actions of Kamala? Enacting a genocide while lying about trying to stop it. Stated intentions? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpZ2XYEVmZU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOqTAWml658

    Yeah really seems like the type to give a fuck about civilian casualties. Actually does seem like the type to pursue war with Iran so... Neat.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The majority of refugees did not come from Iraq, they came from Syria, which was a result of a regime-change operation put into effect by Obama.

    You're actually right about this, apologies. It appears to be less driven by the Iraq disaster than the Syrian civil war. However, 1 million Iraqis died because of an R president and his cronies, that point still stands, feel free to ignore it from now on.

    No? I correctly describe the democrats as also being at fault something you try to absolve them of.

    I am fully happy to admit Ds also do bad things. Just not outright terrible like the Rs. You seem unable to admit this, to the point you almost come off as a Trump apologist.

    Oh so we are using dead victims of fascist mass murder in order to write AU-fiction? Fucked up.

    No, an objective measure for how bad Trump has been. Feel free to ignore from now on as well.

    Regarding Kamala, your points are shallow. Of course Kamala will agree that Iran is the greatest adversary to the US. It's been a pillar of US foreign policy since the 1979 revolution. Would she have started a war because she screamed at a protestor? Absolutely not, the US military has known since the early 2000s that starting a war against Iran would lead to the closure of the strait, which in turn would have catastrophic economic consequences. Unlike Trump, Kamala would very likely have listened to her advisors (as she did not have Epstein files to cover up with a war).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You’re actually right about this, apologies.

    So you do just talk about shit you dont know about. You should probably stop doing that.

    However, 1 million Iraqis died because of an R president and his cronies, that point still stands,

    And the point that Obama is likewise responsible for millions of dead iraqis likewise stands, which is a point you should not ignore, dont feel free to move on. Likewise dont feel free to move on from the fact that the "refugee crisis" which was an oh so important point to you, stopped mattering once it wasnt a republican who was responsible.

    I am fully happy to admit Ds also do bad things. Just not outright terrible like the Rs.

    Why would I waste my time chumming it up with you about how shitty Trump is, when we both already know that? Why would I not focus on your insane statements like this where you reduce more deportations than Trump 1, A GENOCIDE, and so much more to "bad things"? They are both absolutely terrible!

    No, an objective measure for how bad Trump has been. Feel free to ignore from now on as well.

    Oh neat, now that we picked thru that one we can ignore it as well? Fucking don't buddy, it was a shitty argument built on an unfalsifiable foundation, where all available evidence points towards: The Democrats also wantonly vurdering civilians. Yet to you it just becomes a partisan issue to be wielded like every other political point. You dont give a shit about these people.

    Regarding Kamala, your points are shallow.

    Oh okay, I declare all your arguments to be Infinity shallow! Therefore I win.

    Would she have started a war because she screamed at a protestor?

    No, she would have started a war because

    It’s been a pillar of US foreign policy since the 1979 revolution.

    Well, you wrote it for me. The rest, which you well understood, but now youre playing the obtuse angle (as we've discussed) was to illustrate how her rhetoric is that of a blood thirsty warmonger who does not give a shit about the genocide she is actively committing. Even when it is losing her the election.

    Unlike Trump, Kamala would very likely have listened to her advisors.

    Lmao, Trump started the war because of his advisors. And again, we have no way of knowing what would have happened, all we can do is look at her rhetoric and actions before, all of which indicate: She's a genocidal warmongering zionist. And seeing how Israel was the one pushing for the war with Iran, its pretty fucking likely she would have done it too.

    But I gotta be honest, I know you understood this before. Youre playing the obtuse angle, and it is one that I just cannot be bothered to engage anymore with. So this time, for real, im out. I hope you either [censured] or stop supporting genociders.

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