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[–] randompasta@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children) It's very possible your Toyota was made in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (4 children) Except for the design and almost all the parts. Probably was assembled here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] randompasta@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) Many GM and Ford parts are made outside of the US. Possibly only the design and headquarters really separates them. It's a global supply chain for all companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) But Ford is responsible for bad designs like EcoBoost and trucks with plastic oil pans. Peek under a Bronco, many of the steel parts aren't even painted and body seams are not sealed. Peak 1970s manufacturing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Plastic oil pans save weight, who even uses metal anymore? The only time I ever got a hole in an oil pan was a metal one and it was my ex who somehow hit a rock and hid it from me. The one car I had with a plastic pan never had any issues, but it also had a skid plate that makes a larger difference than the material of the oil pan itself, since loose debris would just bounce off. Plus the skid plate helps reduce wind resistance so it's a necessity in this day and age anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago There are always trade-offs. All polymers deteriorate when exposed to that kind of thermal cycling and chemical exposure. A metal alloy fit for the job can last forever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Where car is made is irrelevant. How it is designed and engineered matters. Toyotas made in North America outlast anything designed in Detroit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] randompasta@lemmy.today -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) My point is that there's really not much difference now. I'm betting many car manufacturers are starting to have AI design some parts. So where something is designed matters a lot less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 0 points 1 month ago Your point doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Different companies have different approaches to engineering and quality control, and it absolutely makes a massive difference for how long their products last. This is very obvious in the car market. ML will likely play a massive role for engineering going forward, but again, it's up to each company or organization to decide how to use it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some companies try to have LLMs weigh in on engineering matters, where they shouldn't. AI will amplify bad engineering. But responsible companies will make proper use of ML and their cars will be better for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago (4 children) Except for the design and almost all the parts. Probably was assembled here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] randompasta@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) Many GM and Ford parts are made outside of the US. Possibly only the design and headquarters really separates them. It's a global supply chain for all companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) But Ford is responsible for bad designs like EcoBoost and trucks with plastic oil pans. Peek under a Bronco, many of the steel parts aren't even painted and body seams are not sealed. Peak 1970s manufacturing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Plastic oil pans save weight, who even uses metal anymore? The only time I ever got a hole in an oil pan was a metal one and it was my ex who somehow hit a rock and hid it from me. The one car I had with a plastic pan never had any issues, but it also had a skid plate that makes a larger difference than the material of the oil pan itself, since loose debris would just bounce off. Plus the skid plate helps reduce wind resistance so it's a necessity in this day and age anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago There are always trade-offs. All polymers deteriorate when exposed to that kind of thermal cycling and chemical exposure. A metal alloy fit for the job can last forever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] randompasta@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (3 children) Many GM and Ford parts are made outside of the US. Possibly only the design and headquarters really separates them. It's a global supply chain for all companies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) But Ford is responsible for bad designs like EcoBoost and trucks with plastic oil pans. Peek under a Bronco, many of the steel parts aren't even painted and body seams are not sealed. Peak 1970s manufacturing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Plastic oil pans save weight, who even uses metal anymore? The only time I ever got a hole in an oil pan was a metal one and it was my ex who somehow hit a rock and hid it from me. The one car I had with a plastic pan never had any issues, but it also had a skid plate that makes a larger difference than the material of the oil pan itself, since loose debris would just bounce off. Plus the skid plate helps reduce wind resistance so it's a necessity in this day and age anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago There are always trade-offs. All polymers deteriorate when exposed to that kind of thermal cycling and chemical exposure. A metal alloy fit for the job can last forever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) But Ford is responsible for bad designs like EcoBoost and trucks with plastic oil pans. Peek under a Bronco, many of the steel parts aren't even painted and body seams are not sealed. Peak 1970s manufacturing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Plastic oil pans save weight, who even uses metal anymore? The only time I ever got a hole in an oil pan was a metal one and it was my ex who somehow hit a rock and hid it from me. The one car I had with a plastic pan never had any issues, but it also had a skid plate that makes a larger difference than the material of the oil pan itself, since loose debris would just bounce off. Plus the skid plate helps reduce wind resistance so it's a necessity in this day and age anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago There are always trade-offs. All polymers deteriorate when exposed to that kind of thermal cycling and chemical exposure. A metal alloy fit for the job can last forever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) Plastic oil pans save weight, who even uses metal anymore? The only time I ever got a hole in an oil pan was a metal one and it was my ex who somehow hit a rock and hid it from me. The one car I had with a plastic pan never had any issues, but it also had a skid plate that makes a larger difference than the material of the oil pan itself, since loose debris would just bounce off. Plus the skid plate helps reduce wind resistance so it's a necessity in this day and age anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago There are always trade-offs. All polymers deteriorate when exposed to that kind of thermal cycling and chemical exposure. A metal alloy fit for the job can last forever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago There are always trade-offs. All polymers deteriorate when exposed to that kind of thermal cycling and chemical exposure. A metal alloy fit for the job can last forever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (2 children) Where car is made is irrelevant. How it is designed and engineered matters. Toyotas made in North America outlast anything designed in Detroit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] randompasta@lemmy.today -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) My point is that there's really not much difference now. I'm betting many car manufacturers are starting to have AI design some parts. So where something is designed matters a lot less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 0 points 1 month ago Your point doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Different companies have different approaches to engineering and quality control, and it absolutely makes a massive difference for how long their products last. This is very obvious in the car market. ML will likely play a massive role for engineering going forward, but again, it's up to each company or organization to decide how to use it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some companies try to have LLMs weigh in on engineering matters, where they shouldn't. AI will amplify bad engineering. But responsible companies will make proper use of ML and their cars will be better for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] randompasta@lemmy.today -1 points 1 month ago (1 child) My point is that there's really not much difference now. I'm betting many car manufacturers are starting to have AI design some parts. So where something is designed matters a lot less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 0 points 1 month ago Your point doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Different companies have different approaches to engineering and quality control, and it absolutely makes a massive difference for how long their products last. This is very obvious in the car market. ML will likely play a massive role for engineering going forward, but again, it's up to each company or organization to decide how to use it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some companies try to have LLMs weigh in on engineering matters, where they shouldn't. AI will amplify bad engineering. But responsible companies will make proper use of ML and their cars will be better for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 0 points 1 month ago Your point doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Different companies have different approaches to engineering and quality control, and it absolutely makes a massive difference for how long their products last. This is very obvious in the car market. ML will likely play a massive role for engineering going forward, but again, it's up to each company or organization to decide how to use it. I wouldn't be surprised at all if some companies try to have LLMs weigh in on engineering matters, where they shouldn't. AI will amplify bad engineering. But responsible companies will make proper use of ML and their cars will be better for it. permalink fedilink source parent