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[–] 80 points 1 month ago (23 children)

Most governments with the Communist in the name, are just state run capitalists

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    Yes... China is state capitalist... Meanwhile, here in the Burger Reich, corporations routinely get bailouts from Uncle Sam paid for by the taxes of the workers.

    If China is State Capitalist, what do you consider the USA?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Fake communist societies being state capitalists doesn't preclude other societies from being state capitalist.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Yeah, if the response to "this system doesn't work" is "neither does yours" then we agree that neither system works, and need to find one that does. And if no system will ever work, we need to find some way to live safely and securely without systems.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    And if no system will ever work, we need to find some way to live safely and securely without systems.

    one just has to look to anthropology, we know what works, the Khalari Bushmen lasted 100,000 years, The Australian Aborigine lasted 60,000 gears, we won't last another 50.

    We won't go back voluntarily but we will go back

    for example

    https://aeon.co/essays/why-inequality-bothers-people-more-than-poverty

    Up until then, it was widely believed that hunter-gatherers endured a near-constant battle against starvation, and that it was only with the advent of agriculture that we began to free ourselves from the capricious tyranny of nature.

    When in 1964 a young Canadian anthropologist, Richard Borshay Lee, conducted a series of simple economic input/output analyses of the Ju/’hoansi as they went about their daily lives, he revealed that not only did they make a good living from hunting and gathering, but that they were also well-nourished and content. Most remarkably, his research revealed that the Ju/’hoansi managed this on the basis of little more than 15 hours’ work per week. On the strength of this finding, the anthropologist Marshall Salinas in Stone Age Economics (1972) renamed hunter-gatherers ‘the original affluent society’.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    That makes a lot of sense intuitively. Why would we have an "ideal nutrition level" if we evolved to be constantly in deficit? If we were always in a deficit then our bodies would probably shrink and simplify until we were adapted to our conditions.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    If China is State Capitalist, what do you consider the USA?

    State capitalist with no tooth. The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend, stop defending the bad of the other camp just because you hate the bad from this camp.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Fascist with some vestigial elements of liberalism (or maybe liberalism rapidly descending into fascism if you're feeling generous). In state capitalism, the state controls the corporations. In fascism, the corporations control the state.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    You are missing class context. In China, the working class control the state, and through them the corporations. In the US, the capitalist control the state and the corporations, and do fascism to prevent the workers from gaining any control over anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Ah, yes, apply exclusive OR and blindly discard the AND.

    Speaking of, China's wealth also comes from the export of the value of worker labor as sold through a marketplace by independant corporations. 🤷 profit = exploitation. At least they get affordable living and free ambulance rides/healthcare...

    Also relevant...

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Most hatred for 'capitalism' is specificly for "American capitalism". Even though the problem isnt the economic system, as in reality they all suck arse. Capitalism just sucks the least.

    Capitalism in Europe is quite social in comparison.

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