A newly unveiled statue of the rightwing activist Charlie Kirk was vandalized at the Turning Point USA headquarters in Phoenix, Arizona.

The statue was found with red spray-paint. A nearby poster memorial in front of the statue was vandalized with red paint as well.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

    https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1800678317030564306

    I know, a twitter link. Throw it into yt-dlp.

    Also, the line that Kirk counters Ms Rachel with may have been a mistranslation and the original text may have said something more along the lines of "Man shall not lay with a boy the same as they lay with a woman", which is a very contentious idea among Christians. Whether that's because it means they're not being told to hate gay people or because they're being told to hate statutory rapists is up to you.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    It is not a mistranslation, it's very clearly talking about same-sex intercourse. The "mistranslation" angle is being invented out of whole cloth to retcon the Bible.

    I appreciate the Christians who are trying to be accepting of LGBTQ+, but IMO they should just acknowledge the Biblical authors were wrong about this instead of pretending they didn't say what they said.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    If it was just about same sex intercourse, they would have included a line about women lying with women. This was very likely more about not denigrating another man by forcing them into the role of a woman. Also, given this spent generations as oral tradition before being written down and translated several times, trying to say your particular personal interpretation is the only possible correct one is asinine at best.

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    The Bible has been translated and re-translated across basically every language on the planet, as well as appropriated for propaganda purposes over and over as well. To think that you can take a line at face value - especially in English - is naive. There have been at least 50 different cultures and societal revolutions between you and when that line was first written.

    For example, the King James version of the Bible is a propaganda piece commissioned by a monarch at a time when kings were quite literally losing their heads with the express purpose of including as many references to kings and monarchies as possible in order to foster positive sentiments in the peasants toward the "divine right of kings" or whatever.

    In early versions of the Bible, Lucifer was imprisoned in Tartarus alongside the Titans that Zeus put in there. I'm pretty sure Hell was added later during a medieval reformation or something. The Bible was definitely altered several times during the Medieval period. The line in question here I think had at least 3 variants during this time period. The one claimed to be about same-sex intercourse, a version potentially about not engaging in CSAM, and one that might be about not fucking somebody in another person's bed.

    King David, one of God's anointed, had something like 32 wives and a friend who "loved him in a way that no woman ever could."

    One of the people that Jesus heals is the slave of a Roman soldier. In the original Latin text, the word used is for a specific type of slave. A male slave commonly kept as a lover.

    And we could have a field day on Biblically accurate angels, "Be not afraid," and the Renaissance era redefining what an angel is.

    And then there's also the fact that the Bible was written by multiple different people across several hundred years, at least. The later parts of the New Testament were written by people who lived 300 years after the death of Christ and claimed to know him and what he wanted better than his apostles did. Some of whom who said that the Old Testament and original sin still counted despite the nullification of the Old Testament and the cleansing of original sin being one of the reasons that Christ supposedly sacrificed himself for.

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    A) They can't acknowledge the Bible was wrong about anything. The whole point of their religion is that the Bible is God's words written down by man. Even when you know about the conclave that decided which of the hundreds of "biblical" stories were apocryphal and which were true, hundreds of years after the events of those stories supposedly happened, they will still say that God was guiding that conclave. Bringing up a bad translation also doesn't help, since King James was guided by God to create his translation. The Bible CANNOT be wrong (according to Christians), since it is the word of God.

    B) Historical context is important if you want to try interpreting God's words instead of taking them literally. Romans had a very different lifestyle and view of sex and the role of men and women. It could be that God's word was that the TYPE of male relationships the Romans had was not what God wanted, but just two dudes banging was fine.

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    When I showed you evidence of the Iron River getting thousands of Mexicans killed under American-made guns, 30,000+ of them every year plus another 20,000+ if you count the depression, misery and poverty an environment like that causes, the cardiovascular and neurological diseases it causes on the poorest and most vulnerable, and how angry I was at that injustice, and the fact you have killed my family in the Middle East and Mexico, you kept gaslighting and then replied with this:

    Why should anyone give a MAGA like you raw data? You are a piece of shit who denies reality and ignores the deaths of minorities.

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