▲ 449 ▼ Elon Musk told ex-girlfriend he needed ‘a legion of children before the civil war’ (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 months ago by supersquirrel@lemmy.ca to c/FuckMusk@lemmy.ca 214 comments fedilink hide all child comments Elon Musk is such an incel it hurts to comprehend.
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (26 children) Oops, you forgot the crucial difference again: Evidence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (25 children) You stil have not given me any evidence except 2 articles that you responded to a different person that both mention how the official committee of US bishops are condemning ice. Don’t forget that its not the church or institutional religions i am defending but “quit person with personal spiritual contemplations in their private home” which may disagree with the church, not believe in any god, but is still the majority of people who considers themselves religious. Evidence that speaks about institutional religions i will simply agree with and does not change the careful nuance of my point. Because there is nothing good there to defend. According to research for Christians specifically. 56% feel their beliefs are entirely private. We can’t know if they believe in any bible or how they interpret it. We don’t know anything about those people except that they identify under a specific label. I am willing to read proof that these people are the same evil as the institutions are but if that proof exists i think the bigger problem would be the apparent surveillance and thought police of peoples private mind that is required for that proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (24 children) quit person with personal spiritual contemplations in their private home I assume you mean "quiet" person. But here's the thing: religion affects beliefs. Beliefs drive our actions. Whether or not that shit comes out verbally, it still affects us all. But I would not be responding if there was no offense in the first place. Too many times, it does not stay quiet. It comes out loud and aggressive. I am willing to read proof that these people are the same evil as the institutions are but if that proof exists i think the bigger problem would be the apparent surveillance and thought police of peoples private mind that is required for that proof. No, we only need to read the bible they get their beliefs from. It's an abuser's handbook. Psychotic. Deadly. Baseless. PLEASE stop defending death cults. If they kept it to themselves and never expressed it in any way, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they don't, and the bible explicitly tells them to spread the cancer. I was abused because you won't take a stand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (21 children) If they kept it to themselves and never expressed it in any way, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The people i defend. Which is a majority do keep it for themselves and don't express it in any way because its personal and wouldn’t apply to anyone else. the bible explicitly tells them to spread the cancer. Which is why the people i defend condemn the bible for being human manipulative nonsense. Including my very much believer in magical angels mother in law who is also most afraid of death (you keep saying she is in a death cult that glorifies death) I was abused because you won't take a stand I have no part in this. Institutional abuse by the church was a systemic evil long before i was born and i am not a defender of it or the church. I am only a defender of the majority of personal religious experiences that do not get expressed outside of intimately personal philosophical context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (20 children) Why is she afraid of death? She doesn't believe in heaven? Does she pray compulsively for salvation? That's also not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (19 children) I don’t really know, she has never talked about it. i only know because my partner that the concept of death is the most scary thing to her. Not just herself but anyone she loves dying. I believe she is agnostic to heaven or the idea of humans going there. I don’t even know if she believes in god, but definitely angels (which is according to my partner who she preys towards) I think there is a Maria statue somewhere on the upper floor, i am not sure where that ties in. I think the preyer is more of a contemplation, by asking the angels the right questions you get insight into your own thoughts. I compare it to meditation. I personally meditate when i am overwhelmed, it’s very beneficial. Though it’s hard to turn into a regular habit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (18 children) Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong? Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) The people i defend criticise and condemn the church and the biblical god. They are still considered christians. They are not part of a death-cult. You have no proof that they are and citing a text they condemn is not going to do so. My stand is that they can’t be lumped in with the people that are disillusioned. The extremist that harmed you are not the people i speak of. Stop attacking innocent people who are fighting the same fight against the same enemies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago "I'm against everything nazis stand for, but I still call myself a nazi." How do you not see the problem with that? They are not innocent. There is no such thing as christ. There are no true christians. No one should pretend otherwise. They are not good people, they are lethal liars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (25 children) You stil have not given me any evidence except 2 articles that you responded to a different person that both mention how the official committee of US bishops are condemning ice. Don’t forget that its not the church or institutional religions i am defending but “quit person with personal spiritual contemplations in their private home” which may disagree with the church, not believe in any god, but is still the majority of people who considers themselves religious. Evidence that speaks about institutional religions i will simply agree with and does not change the careful nuance of my point. Because there is nothing good there to defend. According to research for Christians specifically. 56% feel their beliefs are entirely private. We can’t know if they believe in any bible or how they interpret it. We don’t know anything about those people except that they identify under a specific label. I am willing to read proof that these people are the same evil as the institutions are but if that proof exists i think the bigger problem would be the apparent surveillance and thought police of peoples private mind that is required for that proof. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (24 children) quit person with personal spiritual contemplations in their private home I assume you mean "quiet" person. But here's the thing: religion affects beliefs. Beliefs drive our actions. Whether or not that shit comes out verbally, it still affects us all. But I would not be responding if there was no offense in the first place. Too many times, it does not stay quiet. It comes out loud and aggressive. I am willing to read proof that these people are the same evil as the institutions are but if that proof exists i think the bigger problem would be the apparent surveillance and thought police of peoples private mind that is required for that proof. No, we only need to read the bible they get their beliefs from. It's an abuser's handbook. Psychotic. Deadly. Baseless. PLEASE stop defending death cults. If they kept it to themselves and never expressed it in any way, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they don't, and the bible explicitly tells them to spread the cancer. I was abused because you won't take a stand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (21 children) If they kept it to themselves and never expressed it in any way, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The people i defend. Which is a majority do keep it for themselves and don't express it in any way because its personal and wouldn’t apply to anyone else. the bible explicitly tells them to spread the cancer. Which is why the people i defend condemn the bible for being human manipulative nonsense. Including my very much believer in magical angels mother in law who is also most afraid of death (you keep saying she is in a death cult that glorifies death) I was abused because you won't take a stand I have no part in this. Institutional abuse by the church was a systemic evil long before i was born and i am not a defender of it or the church. I am only a defender of the majority of personal religious experiences that do not get expressed outside of intimately personal philosophical context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (20 children) Why is she afraid of death? She doesn't believe in heaven? Does she pray compulsively for salvation? That's also not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (19 children) I don’t really know, she has never talked about it. i only know because my partner that the concept of death is the most scary thing to her. Not just herself but anyone she loves dying. I believe she is agnostic to heaven or the idea of humans going there. I don’t even know if she believes in god, but definitely angels (which is according to my partner who she preys towards) I think there is a Maria statue somewhere on the upper floor, i am not sure where that ties in. I think the preyer is more of a contemplation, by asking the angels the right questions you get insight into your own thoughts. I compare it to meditation. I personally meditate when i am overwhelmed, it’s very beneficial. Though it’s hard to turn into a regular habit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (18 children) Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong? Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) The people i defend criticise and condemn the church and the biblical god. They are still considered christians. They are not part of a death-cult. You have no proof that they are and citing a text they condemn is not going to do so. My stand is that they can’t be lumped in with the people that are disillusioned. The extremist that harmed you are not the people i speak of. Stop attacking innocent people who are fighting the same fight against the same enemies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago "I'm against everything nazis stand for, but I still call myself a nazi." How do you not see the problem with that? They are not innocent. There is no such thing as christ. There are no true christians. No one should pretend otherwise. They are not good people, they are lethal liars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (24 children) quit person with personal spiritual contemplations in their private home I assume you mean "quiet" person. But here's the thing: religion affects beliefs. Beliefs drive our actions. Whether or not that shit comes out verbally, it still affects us all. But I would not be responding if there was no offense in the first place. Too many times, it does not stay quiet. It comes out loud and aggressive. I am willing to read proof that these people are the same evil as the institutions are but if that proof exists i think the bigger problem would be the apparent surveillance and thought police of peoples private mind that is required for that proof. No, we only need to read the bible they get their beliefs from. It's an abuser's handbook. Psychotic. Deadly. Baseless. PLEASE stop defending death cults. If they kept it to themselves and never expressed it in any way, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they don't, and the bible explicitly tells them to spread the cancer. I was abused because you won't take a stand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (21 children) If they kept it to themselves and never expressed it in any way, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The people i defend. Which is a majority do keep it for themselves and don't express it in any way because its personal and wouldn’t apply to anyone else. the bible explicitly tells them to spread the cancer. Which is why the people i defend condemn the bible for being human manipulative nonsense. Including my very much believer in magical angels mother in law who is also most afraid of death (you keep saying she is in a death cult that glorifies death) I was abused because you won't take a stand I have no part in this. Institutional abuse by the church was a systemic evil long before i was born and i am not a defender of it or the church. I am only a defender of the majority of personal religious experiences that do not get expressed outside of intimately personal philosophical context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (20 children) Why is she afraid of death? She doesn't believe in heaven? Does she pray compulsively for salvation? That's also not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (19 children) I don’t really know, she has never talked about it. i only know because my partner that the concept of death is the most scary thing to her. Not just herself but anyone she loves dying. I believe she is agnostic to heaven or the idea of humans going there. I don’t even know if she believes in god, but definitely angels (which is according to my partner who she preys towards) I think there is a Maria statue somewhere on the upper floor, i am not sure where that ties in. I think the preyer is more of a contemplation, by asking the angels the right questions you get insight into your own thoughts. I compare it to meditation. I personally meditate when i am overwhelmed, it’s very beneficial. Though it’s hard to turn into a regular habit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (18 children) Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong? Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) The people i defend criticise and condemn the church and the biblical god. They are still considered christians. They are not part of a death-cult. You have no proof that they are and citing a text they condemn is not going to do so. My stand is that they can’t be lumped in with the people that are disillusioned. The extremist that harmed you are not the people i speak of. Stop attacking innocent people who are fighting the same fight against the same enemies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago "I'm against everything nazis stand for, but I still call myself a nazi." How do you not see the problem with that? They are not innocent. There is no such thing as christ. There are no true christians. No one should pretend otherwise. They are not good people, they are lethal liars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago (21 children) If they kept it to themselves and never expressed it in any way, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The people i defend. Which is a majority do keep it for themselves and don't express it in any way because its personal and wouldn’t apply to anyone else. the bible explicitly tells them to spread the cancer. Which is why the people i defend condemn the bible for being human manipulative nonsense. Including my very much believer in magical angels mother in law who is also most afraid of death (you keep saying she is in a death cult that glorifies death) I was abused because you won't take a stand I have no part in this. Institutional abuse by the church was a systemic evil long before i was born and i am not a defender of it or the church. I am only a defender of the majority of personal religious experiences that do not get expressed outside of intimately personal philosophical context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (20 children) Why is she afraid of death? She doesn't believe in heaven? Does she pray compulsively for salvation? That's also not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (19 children) I don’t really know, she has never talked about it. i only know because my partner that the concept of death is the most scary thing to her. Not just herself but anyone she loves dying. I believe she is agnostic to heaven or the idea of humans going there. I don’t even know if she believes in god, but definitely angels (which is according to my partner who she preys towards) I think there is a Maria statue somewhere on the upper floor, i am not sure where that ties in. I think the preyer is more of a contemplation, by asking the angels the right questions you get insight into your own thoughts. I compare it to meditation. I personally meditate when i am overwhelmed, it’s very beneficial. Though it’s hard to turn into a regular habit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (18 children) Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong? Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (20 children) Why is she afraid of death? She doesn't believe in heaven? Does she pray compulsively for salvation? That's also not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (19 children) I don’t really know, she has never talked about it. i only know because my partner that the concept of death is the most scary thing to her. Not just herself but anyone she loves dying. I believe she is agnostic to heaven or the idea of humans going there. I don’t even know if she believes in god, but definitely angels (which is according to my partner who she preys towards) I think there is a Maria statue somewhere on the upper floor, i am not sure where that ties in. I think the preyer is more of a contemplation, by asking the angels the right questions you get insight into your own thoughts. I compare it to meditation. I personally meditate when i am overwhelmed, it’s very beneficial. Though it’s hard to turn into a regular habit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (18 children) Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong? Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 month ago* (19 children) I don’t really know, she has never talked about it. i only know because my partner that the concept of death is the most scary thing to her. Not just herself but anyone she loves dying. I believe she is agnostic to heaven or the idea of humans going there. I don’t even know if she believes in god, but definitely angels (which is according to my partner who she preys towards) I think there is a Maria statue somewhere on the upper floor, i am not sure where that ties in. I think the preyer is more of a contemplation, by asking the angels the right questions you get insight into your own thoughts. I compare it to meditation. I personally meditate when i am overwhelmed, it’s very beneficial. Though it’s hard to turn into a regular habit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (18 children) Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong? Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (18 children) Meditation is swell. The danger is magical thinking. If she prays as sincerely as possible for things to get better, but they get worse, what does she think? That she has done something wrong? Belief in angels is delusional. She thinks magical beings influence reality instead of taking the time to understand physical cause and effect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (17 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. As far as i understand from my partner, she considers the evils of the current age to be very much man made and not something angels can influence. She very much understands cause and effect. But preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. But like i said she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical, which we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though, i don’t think she is even capable of hate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (16 children) I don’t know. She really never talks about it. Maybe you should ask. She might be crazier than you think. I don’t think she believes the angels influence the earth. Everything that exists influences everything else. If she believes angels exist, what is their purpose? preying to them does indicate an expectation they can guide one personaly, so I would call that influence again. Magical thinking. she is the only Christian i know to actually believe in something that literally magical Wrong. Every christian who believes in christ (which is all of them, it's in the fucking name) believes in magic. we both know is a bunch of nonsense so i am not surprise the logic makes no sense. How do you not see the danger in encouraging grown-ass adults to reject logic? Incredibly sweet and open minded woman though On the surface. i don’t think she is even capable of hate. You might say the same if you met my abusive mother because SHE believes she is a good person, because she believes a magic man in the sky loves her for abusing her kids. Connect the fucking dots and stop defending death cults, you miserable coward, children are dying for your bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago* (15 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. Hate begans hate. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am not your enemy. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. I dont care what people claim that they are good. I look at their actions. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (14 children) You are setting yourself up to become an abuser. Fuck you for victim blaming. There's a reason I chose not to have kids. I did not choose to be abused. Reminder: I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED against my will. What kind of person do you think that produces? I can be kind, but you have consistently rejected reality to defend the exact same ideas that ruined my life. Stop being selfish and start listening to reason, for fuck's sake. How much long can you carry this hate before you attack someone for the crime of wearing a cross shaped heirloom. My "hate" is a response to their hate. Stop falling for DARVO, they are killing us. Hate begans hate. You mean "begets". Christians hate and call it love. I was abused because fuckshits like you refuse to look beneath the surface. And hate is not something you can keep under control. It will explode unless you actually try and find peace. I am trying to find peace. You won't let me. You're saying we should all sit back and let ourselves be slaughtered. Fuck that. I am not your enemy. You are, evidently. You've consistently chosen death instead of life. I am undergoing your toxicity to try and be your friend. And I've been lied to before. Saying things doesn't make them true. Liars aren't my friends. I dont care what people claim that they are good. But that's exactly what you're doing. I look at their actions. Look at your own actions, in context. You know I was abused because people believe the bible, yet you're telling me I'm wrong for criticizing the death cult that hurt me and is hurting us all right now. It's why I call you stupid. You are not applying reason. Do they judge others, do they show compassion to strangers.. Compassion is my default, but you lost that when you defended abusers. I'm still waiting for you to stop doing that, yet you continue choosing death for all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (13 children) I was VIOLENTLY BRAINWASHED Yeah its rather obvious from the way you view things that it still hasnt worn out. I don’t blame you but its true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (12 children) All I've been asking this whole time is: Please stop defending my abusers. More children are being violently brainwashed every day, and you are defending their abusers, too. I wouldn't do this if it was just about me. Please think. I have some videos on my YouTube channel where I read some bible chapters. Maybe you should take a look. It's worse than you think. I plan on making more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (11 children) Quote me the line where i defend your abusers. I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (10 children) I know how bad some bibles are, you don’t need to tell me yaweh is the evident bad guy. But I do need to tell you that christ was yahweh, and that christians believe Jesus was christ. This is why it is bad from the ground up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. The interpretation i have heard about Jesus being god is that the chism was specifically to denounce the god of genesis. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) And i need to tell you that one of the 4 gospels that are included in the latest testament specifically says Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and Maria. Point being? The lineage of Jesus is described twice, once in Mark and once in Luke. They contradict each other; one claims Joseph is the son of Jacob, one claims Joseph is the son of Heli. Yet both lead back up to Abraham. Jesus was human and thus god is humans getting to choose their own destiny and studying morality. That's not what Jesus said in the gospels. He very explicitly commanded submission, obedience, I am the only way, etc. The romans added the old crap back in but the new philosophy remained. The bible remains a book of deadly bullshit that many people believe. The gnostic literature very specifically denounced jaweh as the monster and jesus as the a human of knowledge. Which gnostic literature? All of it? It's a very broad category of beliefs, yet still insists on magical thinking in seemingly every incarnation. Jesus himself claimed yahweh was the father to whom we must all submit. Even if one does not believe Jesus was christ, Jesus did. He was a delusional narcissist, a cult leader who got himself and others killed. The abrahamic faiths are death cults. Christianity is explicit about it. It's baked into the concept of "christ". Magical thinking is deadly. Superstition is harmful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Ok, this one came out of left field. Are we flipping the script? interesting. You're the one deflecting. I criticized christianity for being a death cult. You brought up gnosticism as if it's somehow better or somehow erases christianity. Gnosiscism does have many branches that are still believing in magic, but they dont all and i dont think they where originally if i interpret the older literature. Why can't we focus on reality instead of scripture? There is some evidence that they orginate from Plato, doctorine is the cave. Know what i mean? Then write about that instead of magic, and leave christ out of it completely. But more to the point how can you see that this is many branches and ask which one but not see how i have repeatedly asked the same question every single time you mention the bible because truly all religions are like that. Because the many branches of christianity are all based on the same shitty story about an abuser god sending his son to die to save us from his own punishments. IT IS A DEATH CULT. And gnosticism is still a branch of christian Jesus-character philosophy If it's christian, it's a death cult. If it respects the teachings of Jesus, it's a death cult, because Jesus taught that he is the son of god, that he is christ. Why are you ignoring what Jesus died for? Jesus does not make claims to be the son of god in every text, most of the texts i grew up with in a catholic school did not mention god. The Nicene creed explicitly states Jesus is the son of god. What do you reckon the pope meant when he said "Jesus reveals the Father to us by involving us in his own relationship with Him"? Sure some did and they helped me lots in understanding that yaweh is the egomaniac cancer and jesus the example of moral acts (still on occasion misused by bad interpretations) Someone should've told Jesus. Lying is not moral, please stop sanewashing his claims. Your referring to the interpretation of christ as dying to take away all sin? The one most christians believe, yes. But the one time we where told that one it came with a warning that its figurative and does not mean we cant do evil. The one time? LOL. God was commanding sacrifices since Genesis, including human ones: He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.” Is this a figurative animal sacrifice? God loves the smell: Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and took some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma, the Lord said in his heart, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth Why did he make us evil in the first place? That's what we need "salvation" from, the "sinful nature" he created us with. Leviticus 17: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Numbers 29: It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the Lord: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you Now let's get to Jesus. Hebrews 9: Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26: For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. John 1: The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! As previously mentioned, 1 John 2: He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world Romans 5: More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. Ephesians 1: In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace Colossians 1: For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Revelation 1: And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood I do not think anyone sensible still takes that one literal Please stop pretending they don't exist. I'm not saying they're sensible. I'm saying there are more death cultists than you realize, and you enable them by pretending their book of bullshit isn't a huge problem. Can you acknowledge each of these points? A: yahweh is a death god B: the bible describes yahweh as loving C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time D: most christians think reading the bible is important E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs F: our beliefs drive our actions If you can follow that line of logic, you can understand why my parents are getting away with child abuse. There are entire communities that revere the bible, and I had no means of escape. This same abuse and worse is still happening to others because people like you refuse to hold them accountable. You think the poison is not a problem as long as no one drinks it, but the poison itself contains instructions that say "drink me and shove me down everyone else's throats, too." Repeat after me: christianity is a death cult. Magical thinking is killing us. If you have questions, ask. I can help you understand if you stop denying reality. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Can you acknowledge each of these points? Sure, no problem just dont get upset when my answer don’t match your beliefs. A: yahweh is a death god As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. B: the bible describes yahweh as loving No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. C: the bible is perhaps the most widely read book of all time No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. D: most christians think reading the bible is important No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did E: our experiences, including what we read, shape our beliefs Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. F: our beliefs drive our actions For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) As an insult absolutely, in some interpretations surely. In every reasonable interpretation. If god exists and is sufficiently powerful, every death is his choice. If god is not powerful enough for us to know he is there, we don't assume he is. Theism is unreasonable. It's a form of magical thinking. In the christian bible, which I'll remind you most christians consider to be important, he explicitly demands human sacrifice and commits murders and genocides. No, I never got that vibe from any of them. I have heard people claim it though but then used the bible to see how clearly that is not the case. I don’t think those people read the same version. It's explicit. What was that John 3:16 verse again? “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Romans 5: But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Zephaniah 3: The Lord your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing. 1 John 3: See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. Psalm 86: But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness. Laughable, considering god's behavior in the old testament. But the book says it's love, and the book says it's true, so stupid people like my parents believe. Deuteronomy 7: Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations We get a twofer in Ephesians 2: But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ And in Jeremiah 31: The Lord appeared to him from far away. I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you. Etc. No, because there is no a singular book that is the entire bible, biblical literature as a collection i can believe though but dont know much about asian literature to compare. It's the one called "the christian bible". https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction No because they cant even agree wich text is and is not the bible. They never did You forgot the research I cited before. A majority of U.S. Christians say the Bible is extremely important or very important in their lives https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/importance-of-religion-and-the-bible/ I acknowledge that it also says: The vast majority of members of historically Black Protestant denominations, evangelical Protestants, and Latter-day Saints say the Bible is extremely or very important in their lives. Fewer than half of mainline Protestants and Catholics say this. But those protestants and catholics are factually wrong, the bible is the basis for many of their beliefs. This is one of my points: even if YOU don't think the bible is very important in your life, someone else does, and their actions as a result are impacting your life every day. Of course. Thats why critical thinking skills are so important. I agree, which is partly why I find it so frustrating to talk to you. You seem capable, but your blind spots are huge and you reject reality. You pretend it's more moral to tolerate willful ignorance than to correct it. For some that may be the case but agnostic beliefs don’t always work that way. Lol. Please think about it. Agnostic beliefs still drive choices, it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Do you know any person at all who is completely mindless, no brain, yet still makes choices? I don't. I don't see how it's possible. Our brains process our experiences into beliefs which, combined with other aspects of our biology, result in conscious or subconscious decisions and physical actions. What do you think prompts human beings to act, if not their beliefs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) Just because it says so does not mean you have to believe it. Sorry for repeating myself but taking a christian text literally is still very much a Protestant cult thing. The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) The people who told you its supposed to be literal are lying or mentally living in the dark ages. They got that idea from the bible itself. In my case, it was evangelicals. But the fact remains that every abrahamic faith is a death cult, including christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) I already told you i am no fan of protestants, i am not defending them. Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. I have referenced the following a coulle of time, i still believe that on principle you approve of it. But that the terminology keeps blinding you. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago Pressuring your believes onto others and getting angry when they don’t is pretty bad. No matter what the believes entail. Surely you don't believe that. Example: you see a grown adult taking advantage of a young person in a heinous manner. That should make you angry enough to intervene. Now bring it to the conversational level. You chat with someone who reveals they love taking advantage of young people. Do you try to change their minds? Do you get angry when they deny or dismiss the harm they are doing? I do, because I am a human being with empathy. Teach people to think critically and let them form opinions of their own. That's what I'm trying to do, but you're still denying that christianity is a death cult. Post-theism is the belief that religions related to, or focus on the worship of a God or deitiesbelongs to a previous stage of human development and, thus, a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete. It is a variant of nontheism. The term appears in liberal Christianity and post-Christianity. But we still have more traditional christians, most of whom believe in god. We still have theists. We still have the concept of "god", ill-defined as it is, necessitating "atheism" as the position of one who does not believe in any god. a division of theism vs. atheism is obsolete I wish. Many theists won't shut up about their imaginary friend, and they pretend I'm wrong and deserving of punishment for not accepting their baseless claims. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) The people i defend criticise and condemn the church and the biblical god. They are still considered christians. They are not part of a death-cult. You have no proof that they are and citing a text they condemn is not going to do so. My stand is that they can’t be lumped in with the people that are disillusioned. The extremist that harmed you are not the people i speak of. Stop attacking innocent people who are fighting the same fight against the same enemies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago "I'm against everything nazis stand for, but I still call myself a nazi." How do you not see the problem with that? They are not innocent. There is no such thing as christ. There are no true christians. No one should pretend otherwise. They are not good people, they are lethal liars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 1 point 1 month ago "I'm against everything nazis stand for, but I still call myself a nazi." How do you not see the problem with that? They are not innocent. There is no such thing as christ. There are no true christians. No one should pretend otherwise. They are not good people, they are lethal liars. permalink fedilink source parent