NOTE: I am NOT defending AI or it's usage or anything like that. So just tie that horse right back up at the kitchen sink. I don't like the whole AI thing. This post is not about AI.

I get that it was necessary at first, but now whenever there's any hint of AI, there's a great chorus of everyone saying the same thing 'AI slop bla bla bla' like a gaggle of sheep jerking their knees.

It's not fucking helpful. It only sows even more division among the peasants, while the oligarchs take zero notice and continue on as usual. The correct way to engage with AI content you don't like is just not at all.

Examples:

Recently I watched as a post for a community event was removed, because it had an AI image. The image was not requested or created by the organiser, it was provided to them, and had information in several languages. But the post was removed because AI slop and now there is less human connection happening. Yay. Well fucking done. You literally are helping the AI overlords now.

I've seen many actual legit digital artists getting hit with the cries of AI slop and even banned, when they have been making art for years before AI was even a thing. People actually can't tell the difference half the time when they think they can, and end up hurting real artists.

Now is not the time to be attacking each other over using AI to generate some stupid meme. There are much, MUCH bigger issues at stake right now, and calling everything AI slop does nothing to help.

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[+] 36 points 2 months ago* (23 children)
  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    but it’s not a big burden to say hey, don’t have AI make the poster, just make it yourself. It’s really not that hard.

    Maybe not, but it doesn't feel great when people think they can push you around like that. "Just comply with our demands, it's easy" is exactly the kind of attitude that makes it even more intolerable.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah that's how a society works, so are you gonna cut yourself off and live off the land in a cabin in the woods where no one can tell you what you have to do or are you going to continue to comply with society's demands in order to reap it's benefits?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago*

    Going for a mix of strategic isolation and speaking out against smug mob rule bullies personally. The existence of rules is one thing, but when it's both about micromanaging the arguably innocuous use of information processing tools, and enforced in the most obnoxious way possible, that seems like the right hill to take a stand on.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ok, but given the massive costs in energy and clean water are borne by all those "intolerable" people, I'm gonna go with they are the ones in the right here. Your arguments sound exactly like the kind of shit Exxon executives said about fossil fuels in the 90s.

    When you have a 100% locally hosted AI powered by your private solar or wind array and cooled without pulling any water from a local water table,nyou can go back to smugly deriding the "intolerable" and "smug" people making demands of you, but as long as your slop-slinging is affecting all of us you have to hear about it as a bare minimum consequence.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I do use locally hosted AI and haven't used anything else in quite a while (in part because I agree with some of the criticisms), but yes, it uses resources. About the same as playing a videogame, I tested it with an outlet meter. As much as I do actually go out of my way to live in a way that limits my carbon footprint (relevant example: I throttle my GPU's maximum wattage to a more efficient setting), I'm not fooling myself to think that individual aggregate lifestyle choices is what it boils down to, that's misleading industry propaganda they've been pushing for decades.

    That propaganda especially doesn't make sense with regards to AI, because its promise as a consumer product is not at all why corporations are funneling resources into its development, they are doing it because they believe it is something they can use for business and give them a more dominant position over society, so it would be done regardless of whether any individual chose to use it. Which isn't to say people using their services aren't contributing at all, doing so gives these companies training and surveillance data. The ethics of it is worth discussing and considering. General purpose "you breathe our air therefore your actions must all be justified by our moral standards regardless of the scale of impact" type arguments are petty and absurd and don't really make for a constructive discussion though.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Now, you could wish that reality were different, but it’s not a big burden to say hey, don’t have AI make the poster, just make it yourself. It’s really not that hard.

    What the flog is wrong with having AI make a poster as long as it's reasonably clean, professional, and free of slop content? Indeed, much of what AI can do in those situations is little more than automation acting on PhotoShop-like sets of tools.

    Make all the AI content you want, says I, but here's a tip-- don't make it obvious that AI was used in its production. Bam, problem solved.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If it uses one of the online services, then it's a problem (environment, water etc).

    You could somewhat make that argument for local models. But not many people are going to have any conception of that

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Metrics are needed. Based on an article that Rimu shared a few days ago, I didn't get the impression that stuff like simple graphics work needed for a poster particularly added much strain.

    There's also the simple fact that it's too late to be herding cats on this one. Most people who've gotten used to using AI for various tasks aren't going to give it up very easily. While I agree that it can be useful to talk up and spread the word about the destructiveness of AI costs, that energy and pressure ultimately needs to be funneled to lawmakers in order to draft and pass appropriate legislation.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    It's also an issue that every person that complains about AI has absolutely no fucking idea what it is, how it works, how to differentiate different models/forms, or even why it's a special unique technology that is inherently bad. Unlike things like alcohol, X-rays, methamphetamines, gunpowder, oil, nuclear, mining, farming, etc, etc, that are only harmful when used/done wrong.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    Now if you could put that in to your own words...

    EDIT: To the enlightened downvoters-- that person's trying to get me to read a 5,000pp science paper instead of answering themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Lmao the pro AI guy being too lazy to skim a paper for information is too on the nose. It's in 4.1 Median Model Energy Consumption.

    The issue is that it'd take hundreds of times less energy to just put together something yourself, not to mention the massive energy cost of training the models in the first place. Plus you'd be developing a skill while doing creative work, which is great for your brain.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago

    What "pro AI guy"?

    I'm someone who's repeatedly voiced my deep distrust of an AI-centered future, and by no means trusts in data centers. My use-case is on the extreme lower end of the spectrum, so what appropriate rebuttal is there for that?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Nah you obviously dont care enough to read it so I'm good

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    GTFO. That's a ~5,000pp science paper. You want me to try to read and understand all that instead of you doing the simple of thing of using your own words to convey your point?

    Fuck off, troll.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Nah, they're right and you're wrong here.

    The thing about long papers is they generally have an abstract right upfront that'll bottom line all ~5000 pages in a few paragraphs.

    Your responses make it obvious that you already know exactly what point they were making and you're being deliberately obtuse because you don't like the point being made.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Please.

    That is an actual science paper in an area in which I have zero academic training and little familiarity with the relevant terminology, how that field quantifies things, and a bazillion other concerns. Sure, I might be able to spend a day's worth of my time struggling to understand the relevant point of the paper and guessing at WTF the other commenter was wanting me to mind read, but what's the point?

    If you're too much of a tongue-tied freak to give a straight answer, and instead throw out some science paper and expect someone else to absorb it and guess at whatever your original point was, then.... you might just be an idiot.

    And I've already answered concerns about AI energy consumption in this thread chain, so maybe instead of trying to ride a troll's lack of effort, you could actually read the thread?

    Yeah, good luck with that. Later, tater.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    And I've already answered concerns about AI energy consumption in this thread chain,

    Not that I could find, including looking through your comment history in case I was missing it.

    But unless your "answer" includes some peer reviewed science (like the paper you steadfastly refuse to read since you know it'll prove you wrong) it's not an answer so much as an excuse, or maybe even just a vibe.

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