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The corporate party vs everyday people (discuss.online)
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[–] 4 points 2 months ago* (15 children)

I just don't feel confident that it was the propaganda of the right suppressing liberal interest, and not the authentic apathy of people not finding democracy in the democratic party.

Step 1 has to be the elimination of MAGA…

I also don't feel confident the current for of the democratic party is equipped for this, and I think not pushing them to do better is how we went from Biden to Trump 2.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (14 children)

    Push them to do better by voting in the primaries... but don't give up and stay home when the candidate you like doesn't win the primary. Fucking vote.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Yeah! if the people didnt want kamala to be the one to run against Trump, they would have voted so in the primary.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    I actually liked Harris. She was smart, skilled, and experienced. But she had a vagina so 7 million Joe Biden voters refused to show up.. (I know that's only part of the reason, but I also know that misogyny is just as prevalent in the left as it is in the right.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    I vote down ballot every election, I am not who you need to convince. I am explaining to you that, as we saw in 24, when people don't feel heard they don't show up. You can take another stab at corporate dems trying to vote shame enough people into showing up, or you can learn from the past and realize shame doesn't motivate votes.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I'm at the point that I might be the one to stop showing up.. I mean, if people are so focused on their pet project that they have stopped giving a shit about stopping the overarching evil, then maybe it's time to let the evil win.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Maybe you could ride this emotion into a shred of empathy and imagine yourself being a Palestinian who had 20+ family members killed under Biden, watched the DNC attendees cover their ears when faced with the government they support, watched your close friends tear gassed and arrested for begging your school to stop giving money to the slaughter of your family; then after no primary, no voice at the DNC, and a cheered promise of the most lethal military in the world, you're insulted for having a "pet project" that is over shadowed by the 'real' evil.

    America is evil when democrats are in power too, and if you want to throw a tantrum instead of be productive, I can't stop you. But maybe you should realize there are people that have been at this fight longer than we've been alive and are trying more than just voting.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I fully admit I fucking hate what the Israelis' are doing, and think they should be cut off and left to twist... But the middle east isn't on us, other than the fact that we continue to meddle in it.

    But I'm more worried about shit happening here... We can't solve the world's problems until we fix ours first.. I have lots of empathy...for people here dying because of lack of healthcare, for victims of right-wing fascism in the US..

    We can't be the world police until we fix our own house. That has to happen FIRST.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Weird to come back to this reply when the other already talks about the failures of democrats and the problems it causes locally.

    But the middle east isn’t on us, other than the fact that we continue to meddle in it.

    If I keep reloading the school shooter's gun, the dead kids are on me too.

    But I’m more worried about shit happening here… We can’t solve the world’s problems until we fix ours first… I have lots of empathy…for people here dying because of lack of healthcare, for victims of right-wing fascism in the US…

    That's really great... that you have lots of empathy... maybe you should direct that into action and do something about the failures of democrats that cause right wing fascists to win elections.

    We can’t be the world police until we fix our own house. That has to happen FIRST.

    Why the fuck do you think the US should be the world police?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Why the fuck do you think the US should be the world police?

    You do if you think we could do anything to stop Israel from attacking / expanding into Palestine...

    I don't know why the fuck we support israel the way we do... From what I've seen It's a terrorist state.. But I also am not crazy enough to think I know everything about the situation. So I'm not going to armchair quarterback.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    I can see you have a pretty childish understanding of geopolitics. I think if you recontextualize the US's involvement with Israel to that of the west's settler colonial project in the middle east, the actions and defenses start to make more sense. For example you might understand that us giving them 70% of their imported munitions and defending them at the UN, while they start wars and destabilize the region isn't some confusing fluke behavior, it is how the US functions as world police.

    Or to quote Biden,

    Were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.

    Past that, your replies are getting increasingly scattered and manic, and I am not interested in engaging with this.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I'm doing the exact opposite. This isn't a temper tantrum, this is a desire to live my life to it's fullest when the world around me has decided it no longer gives a fuck about my general wellbeing.

    Single-issue voting is bollocks. It's the same logic gun-owners and christians use to support horrid candidates no matter what.. "They are pro-gun" is all they need to overlook the rest of the hell.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Taking your ball and going home when you don't get what you want sounds functionally identical to a temper tantrum to me. I care about the raise of fascism, so even when things don't go my way or I wish voters would fucking think, I don't give up because that's only less useful.

    It wasn't single issue voting though. It was the constant narrative that this is as good as it can be, and that no one is going to help; that the people have no say, and the only mistakes made were not having a republican in the cabinet. It's that after the protests of 2020 trying to hold cops accountable, we get an old segregationist and a cop for the candidates. After the years of crying over splitting families we only ever increase funding to ICE. That after the supreme court leaked their overturn of Row, democrats did nothing but fundraise. Healthcare, housing, schooling, childcare, food, transportation, all ballooning in costs, cutting any covid protections that existed. It's the constant story that the only thing the democrats can offer is that it will be worse under Trump. They are right, it was obvious it was/is worse under Trump, but when all those issues are piling on people, it's not surprising that enough also think "maybe it’s time to let the evil win" to see what happens.

    Given that, the solution isn't to shame voters, it's to build power people can believe in.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    So telling me how calling democrats Nazi's (or nazi-ajacent) builds power?

    You need us just as much as we need you.

    but if we keep doing the "Democrats and Republicans are the same" you're just going to keep losing. I know you want to change the system, but as a wise man once said.. "Want in one hand, shit in the other, see which one fills up first."

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