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Leaked webinar reveals Flock employees teaching police how to surveil anti-Trump No Kings protestors and track their cars (cdn.imgchest.com)
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[–] 2 points 2 months ago (9 children)

How do you get anarchist ideas in people's heads, if not by educating, agitating, and organizing? Wouldn't it be better to form a disciplined revolutionary organization that can do all 3, taking issues like public opposition to Trump to proliferate these ideas? That's what most groups have been using the No Kings protests for. Rallies and protests aren't just going outside, holding a sign, and going home. They come with numerous conversations and recruitment drives that advance these three lines.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

    At foodbanks, parks, libraries, free free markets, etc.. You have ⅓ of the population unwilling to get educated, agitated, organized. The other ⅓ is destroying educational materials, agitating, and organized. We are the last ⅓, the class conscience educated, agitated, but disorganize group. You won't be agitating the unwilling, or the nazis.

    Rallies and protests aren’t just going outside, holding a sign, and going home.

    Then how was your recruiting tally? We got zero volunteers. Heck Texas managed to arrest theirs, Utah got some killed, Michiganders got deathcamped. Demagogues are dead set on keeping us killed, burned, and unremembered.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I can't give any numbers, but I can say that educating, agitating, and organizing is still very effective, and remains to be the most critical task. I'd say 5% are actually educated, agitated, and organized, maybe even 1%, or .1%. However, I'd also say that 75% of people are increasingly willing to learn, as conditions continue to decay and organization continues to advance. The rates of organization and radicalization are accelerating.

    The way I see it, being unwilling is almost always because someone doesn't yet feel the need to. As imperialism decays, more and more people feel the heat under their feet, and feel the need to understand why. This happens at different rates for different people in different positions, but it is happening. And no, we can't really sway Nazis. At the end of the day, reactionaries exist, and will oppose us.

    For clarity, I'm a Marxist-Leninist, not an anarchist. I used to be one, but that's no longer a part of my life. I am simply advocating for effective practice, which even anarchists should be able to copy.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    The rates of organization and radicalization are accelerating

    Where‽

    Last time I got detailed that Americans have piss poor OPSEC.

    I am myself opossum anarchist: my vanguardism ends with our freedom. No buros, no Trotskyism.
    🦨

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    OPSEC is generally poor, which is why disciplined organizations are necessary. As for opposing vanguardism, this just returns us to the problem at hand: how do you educate, agitate, and organize, without building up an organization with both discipline and the will to do so? This is why it seems to me that you are so cynical about everything, you oppose tried and true methods, and at the same time believe that because there is no guerilla war ongoing right now, that the class struggle isn't advancing. It's pure defeatism.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    OPSEC is generally poor

    Until this doesn't improve at an exponential rate, CIA, NSA, FBI, HSI, ICE, Marines, National Guards, state cops & local PDs will keep successfully deathcamping your undisciplined vanguard. I don't oppose vanguarding while revolting. I oppose it after the proletariat is free.

    the class struggle isn’t advancing.

    because we are seeing the exact opposite advancing: the class unconscious doesn't want to learn. They want to stay performing in social media. They want to keep electoralism. They want to pretend there will be justice served after 2028.

    You know the first rule of warfare is securing reliable food. Until that is accomplished, fascism will remain the :amerikkkant: quo. Need not remind you, it's been past a generation of fascism.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I haven't seen mass attacks succeed against the various parties attempting to become a vanguard. ICE fascists and the like brutalizing the people isn't the same as succeeding in arresting organizers, even if some have been explicitly called out by the capitalist state. As for the vanguard becoming unnecessary after the proletariat is free, I agree, but we likely have different views on how the proletariat as a whole and it's vanguard reinforce each other, and what the timeframe for the proletariat becoming actually free is.

    As for the "politically unconscious," this is not a permanent fixture. Again, socialism and communism are more popular than ever before in Statesian history. There's no chance that everyone of them understands what these words mean, but plenty of them do, and this number is increasing. People's ideas come from their material conditions, and are largely learned through struggle.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I haven’t seen mass attacks succeed against the various parties attempting to become a vanguard

    Did you miss the Prairieland Vanguard being sentenced for life?

    this number is increasing.

    WHERE‽

    People’s ideas come from their material conditions,

    Material conditions that have NOT been secured. And because they are not secure, Nazis will, and force everyone to ID. There’s no difference fom Putin’s fascism, and today's :amerikkkant:. Just more :amerikkkant: stealing from those they oppress.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I did miss that, yes, because I can't find any reference to a "Prarieland Vanguard" association. I do know that the state has cracked down on groups, but the idea that such an association could be a vanguard is off.

    As for the number increasing, it's very well documented, to the point that porkie is terrified.

    Material conditions are not to be "secured." When I say people's ideas come from their material conditions, I mean the way we live and our surroundings shape how we think. Living in a moribund empire is radicalizing more people, and if you haven't seen that then I am not sure you've been paying attention.

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