▲ 123 ▼ In spite of skyrocketing US police budgets, cities' murder clearance rates are plummeting. (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago by dessalines@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml 26 comments fedilink hide all child comments Article : https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high Another graph on budgets
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (10 children) They should get a fixed amount per crime solved. Payment varies on the severity of the crime. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* Uh unfortunately that would lead to pinning all unsolved murders on homeless people. It would give a financial incentive for a cop to shoot 1 homeless person and blame the other. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (8 children) You understand why that will incentivize the wrong things, right? Put another way: take a gander at Japan’s criminal justice system. You don’t want that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (7 children) I don't know much about the legal system in Japan but they have a higher clearance rate than US cops right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Japan has an insanely high conviction rate. And the cops also don’t bother filing a case unless they’re pretty sure it’s a spam (e: lol) slam dunk Tokyo Vice, while a drama, actually portrays Japanese police work in a roughly accurate sense. And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING is closer to the truth than many would like to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING... Hey I've seen a couple movies like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I gotta go back to the sea permalink fedilink source parent [–] swicano@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) "Sprinkle some crack on the body and arrest the nearest homeless person, I've got my eye on a new camaro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that how the justice system works in Japan? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Officially? No. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago No because they don't even bother with any case that can't be cleared pretty much immediately, even if that means declaring obvious cases of murder as suicides or accidents. In criminal investigations accuracy is the most important metric not speed or even severity of the crime. You could pay based on conviction rates of course, but whether a conviction happens or not is often more about how stupid the criminal or prosecutor is, and would potentially incentivise faking evidence which is already a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* Uh unfortunately that would lead to pinning all unsolved murders on homeless people. It would give a financial incentive for a cop to shoot 1 homeless person and blame the other. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (8 children) You understand why that will incentivize the wrong things, right? Put another way: take a gander at Japan’s criminal justice system. You don’t want that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (7 children) I don't know much about the legal system in Japan but they have a higher clearance rate than US cops right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Japan has an insanely high conviction rate. And the cops also don’t bother filing a case unless they’re pretty sure it’s a spam (e: lol) slam dunk Tokyo Vice, while a drama, actually portrays Japanese police work in a roughly accurate sense. And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING is closer to the truth than many would like to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING... Hey I've seen a couple movies like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I gotta go back to the sea permalink fedilink source parent [–] swicano@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) "Sprinkle some crack on the body and arrest the nearest homeless person, I've got my eye on a new camaro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that how the justice system works in Japan? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Officially? No. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago No because they don't even bother with any case that can't be cleared pretty much immediately, even if that means declaring obvious cases of murder as suicides or accidents. In criminal investigations accuracy is the most important metric not speed or even severity of the crime. You could pay based on conviction rates of course, but whether a conviction happens or not is often more about how stupid the criminal or prosecutor is, and would potentially incentivise faking evidence which is already a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (7 children) I don't know much about the legal system in Japan but they have a higher clearance rate than US cops right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Japan has an insanely high conviction rate. And the cops also don’t bother filing a case unless they’re pretty sure it’s a spam (e: lol) slam dunk Tokyo Vice, while a drama, actually portrays Japanese police work in a roughly accurate sense. And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING is closer to the truth than many would like to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING... Hey I've seen a couple movies like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I gotta go back to the sea permalink fedilink source parent [–] swicano@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) "Sprinkle some crack on the body and arrest the nearest homeless person, I've got my eye on a new camaro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that how the justice system works in Japan? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Officially? No. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago No because they don't even bother with any case that can't be cleared pretty much immediately, even if that means declaring obvious cases of murder as suicides or accidents. In criminal investigations accuracy is the most important metric not speed or even severity of the crime. You could pay based on conviction rates of course, but whether a conviction happens or not is often more about how stupid the criminal or prosecutor is, and would potentially incentivise faking evidence which is already a problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Japan has an insanely high conviction rate. And the cops also don’t bother filing a case unless they’re pretty sure it’s a spam (e: lol) slam dunk Tokyo Vice, while a drama, actually portrays Japanese police work in a roughly accurate sense. And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING is closer to the truth than many would like to believe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING... Hey I've seen a couple movies like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I gotta go back to the sea permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) And the whole bit with how the yakuza have their tentacles into EVERYTHING... Hey I've seen a couple movies like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I gotta go back to the sea permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago I gotta go back to the sea permalink fedilink source parent
[–] swicano@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children) "Sprinkle some crack on the body and arrest the nearest homeless person, I've got my eye on a new camaro" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that how the justice system works in Japan? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Officially? No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Is that how the justice system works in Japan? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago Officially? No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orclev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago No because they don't even bother with any case that can't be cleared pretty much immediately, even if that means declaring obvious cases of murder as suicides or accidents. In criminal investigations accuracy is the most important metric not speed or even severity of the crime. You could pay based on conviction rates of course, but whether a conviction happens or not is often more about how stupid the criminal or prosecutor is, and would potentially incentivise faking evidence which is already a problem. permalink fedilink source parent