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How to use PTO (lemmy.world)
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[+] -53 points 2 months ago (58 children)

You will also be without a job. Requests can be honored if they are timely and follow the rules but everyone can't be off before forth of July or Christmas. There's usually a process to be fair to others and the business.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (26 children)

    You will also be without a job.

    Then I guess they'll have to find someone to cover when I'm gone. either way, it's a notice not a request.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Let me make something extremely fucking clear.

    There are plenty of places to get a paycheck.

    Time with my family is irreplaceable. We're only on the same team as long as you understand that you will never be as important as home life.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    The sad part you don't seem to understand is that you and people like you are the problem. Those insisting on taking days of are fighting for worker rights most of the world already has, the reason the US doesn't is that there are to many people who betray their colleges like you do

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Buddy, the world isn't resting on your shoulders. You're just as replaceable as everybody else is. If you didn't show up, they'd recover faster than you'd think. In a week they'd forget you were ever there. It's a job, even if you were half as critical as you let yourself believe, your superiors certainly don't believe it, and will cut you loose as soon as the number under your name goes from black to red.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Every day I want, I do get. As long as I have the time available anyway. A few times even when I didn't.

    I can recall one time in the last 10 years where there was any question about that fact.

    Unionize my friend.

    It is your employers responsibility to ensure your role has adequate coverage for your available time off. Not yours.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You need to know that you are wrong, your views on work life balance are abhorrent, and you're doing a bad job

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    Wrong about how showing up is part of work? Ok. Just show up whenever you feel like it and tell me if you have a job. I think you're full of shit if you get to do that. Or you are like a Kardashian.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's your bosses obligation to make sure there are enough people to cover the shifts not yours, if you except being exploited or even defend it than yes you are holding up everyone else.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    No it's not. I'm in charge of 30 people in a place that has close to a hundred employees. It's my department. I am the one that makes those choices. However I do not make their union contract and I do not do anything other than adhere to what their CBA holds them to. I have only terminated one person for attendance in my time of 5 years. The rest of been neglence of safety on the employee.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Who gives an actual fuck what your boss thinks?

    You speak like someone who has been beaten down so much that lifting your head up seems like treachery to you.

    If your work is important to you, good for you, but your boss is not thinking about you when you aren’t around.

    Grow up and join the real world.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 months ago

    Wow. You sound really jaded. That cooperative work equates to some kind of negative. In fact you sound like a teenager that has not fully formed their emotions. I'm telling you how it comes off and what are the consequences from an upper management perspective. Since I sit in on meetings from a multi-billion company with them, maybe hear it out. Or don't. It's really up to you if you think I'm out to get you from telling you what happens in today's business world.

    Do I wish we could all take every single day we want and not work 50 hours a week and do what my boss says? Yes. But I am not more in control of those strings than anyone else here and just play the game just like everyone else.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You know what a professional attitude would be? Organising your team in a way that doesn't make everything fall apart because of one person being unavailable.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I don't find that as a professional attitude. It is not a team attitude as well.

    Oh my fucking god, go play in traffic or something! Nobody respects this fucking dreck.

    I don't request time off, I give notice that I won't be there. End of. If it were my job to figure out who's gonna cover my shifts, then I need to be paid more.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago

    Then you're a crap employee and you wouldn't be welcome on our team. We like adults working with us that bring actual conversations that help do what we do.

    We do in fact play in traffic. We are literally professionals at it. It's so heartwarming that you care so much.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's always funny to read

    • You can't use your PTO without coverage. You're too critical to business functions to miss even a single day.

    • We'll fire you for any reason or no reason at all. We don't even need you. You should be grateful we let you work here.

    And folks wonder why 90% of businesses fail.

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  • [+] 20 points 2 months ago (15 children)
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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    benefits

    Like not being allowed to take time off?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    "There is an order to the world" is a phrase uttered only by those enjoying the current order as applicable to them, to someone whom they clearly see is not enjoying the same. It is the taunt of tyrants, slavers, bigots, strike-breakers, fascists, and genocidal maniacs the world over.

    Order alone is not an axiomatic good, and anyone who treats it like it is inherently worth protecting, or like an orderly system is an invalid target for criticism solely for being orderly, is either naïve or is experiencing an unbalanced "order" in their favour. I'll let other readers decide which they think you are.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    What a sad projection of your own hollowness of self, to say that the very idea of changing corrupt systems of exploitation is synonymous with being incapable of critical thought. I hope you find something to fill that gaping hole in your selfhood.

    We may all be nothing but drops in an ocean, but what is any ocean but a multitude of drops? To dare liken the idea of taking a day off of work to turning the sky green is so pitiful, so utterly incomprehensible a strawman, that it can only have come from someone who is, themself, forcibly repressing their own higher thoughts.

    Please consider your positions (for it is clear that no consideration has occurred thus far).

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Ok Dr. Phil. What a rod. You looked so deep into my soul and told me. You don't do shit for a living and don't understand how having a job works.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Again, nothing but weak polemics. You know nothing of my background. Even a glance at my comment history would have told you what sector I work in, and the last time I covered for a colleague was two days ago. Something tells me that the accusation of "you don't do shit for a living" was just more projection on your part.

    Furthermore, it's quite telling that your first thought when fishing for a name that evokes psychological opinions was Phil McGraw. I don't need to have any expertise in the workings of the human mind to identify that red flag.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You are not important enough to my existence to go stalking your comments. I'm having a conversation and I don't agree with you and you had to make it personal because you are a dick. I don't care what you think about me, my family or anything I have to say because your approach is horrible and one of low intelligence.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Do you believe I made it personal when I called you an NPC? Or do you think that happened when I called you a rod, or a dick? Or, perhaps, did I make it personal when I assumed that you didn't do shit for a living? Oh, wait... right... all of those were you, weren't they? What, precisely, have I said about your family, ever?

    At every turn, you insult me, while I point out more and more strenuously that you appear to be making statements which are more likely to reflect your own self image and fears. You are either confusing me with someone else in these comments, or you are having a very difficult time with self-reflection. The only thing I have ever said about you, personally, is that you have clearly not considered your own positions, and that it is clear that you realize the weaknesses in your positions and attempt to bolster them by accusing me of being the things you fear yourself to be. If that is making it personal, then I fear you have been talking to the mirror I'm waving in your face, not me. So I will end as I said before:

    Please consider your positions more deeply. Taking a day off work that you already told your boss you would be taking off, and for which you have the PTO to take, is not the same as trying to turn the sky green. If your system of thought can't handle that, then it is a bad system, and should be remade.

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  • [+] 16 points 2 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I imagine this person thinks you're boasting being #2 on the human centipede proud to not be #3 or #4. You're eating shit either way.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Does no one on Lemmy work? Is it a bunch of neck beards in their parent's basements? When does showing up for work become a human centipede? Absolutely dumb analogy.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I'm kinda shocked how you've been using this forum semi-actively for 3 years and are just now realizing something about how the company around is very socialist and anti-capitalist.

    Any opinion ideologically right of soc-dem is gonna be heavily criticized all around, and that corner over there straight up thinks even social-democrats are authoritarian-complacent.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    And I don't really care. I can agree on many things on this platform and I do. However I stand by my statements. Work is about showing up and being present. If a person cannot adhere to that commitment without a modecum of respect for their coworkers and have an attitude of "I can take off whenever I want" then it's not professional. It's fine if they find a profession where that works for them. I have yet to encounter a company or industry that has that sort of liberal schedule.

    I know they exist in certain industries. I have never been a part of those. But it takes all kinds to keep this world running.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    They need me more than I need them. I put in a little extra time here and there. I roll with management’s last minute emergencies that arise from their lack of planning and communication, and I course correct with knowledge of real world logistics that they never think of, saving their bacon and making them look better than they should. I am flexible and agreeable and get my work done regularly and efficiently.

    If they fire me I’ll happily collect unemployment and watch them implode.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Where I live national holidays and Sunday are time off for almost everyone, and Saturdays are usually half-days. Yes, that means almost all stores and businesses are closed. If a business wants people to work then for one reason or another (emergency services, public transit operators, entertainment, food service, hotel staff etc) it is paid as overtime, which generally means about 1.5x the rate. If I could work for 1.5x my rate I'd probably be incentivized to not take the day off, which is exactly how this should work.

    Denying people PTO is anti-labor and you frankly should be ashamed to be peddling such bullshit here.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I am not peddling that at all. You are not reading critically. I manage a crew of people that have a CBA with allocated PTO. They know their limitations and there is almost never a conflict because I manage those shortages and still fulfill what our tasks are.

    However, the discussion is "I should be able to take whatever day I want whenever I want". I do not think that is a professional attitude or a team attitude. Full stop. There is nothing more to that other than I see it as a roadblock for promotion and that attitude does not last long where I am from. This is also not the first company I have worked for in this industry. I was a front like worker for 9 years before becoming management.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I should be able to take whatever day I want whenever I want

    Yes, workers should be able to take whatever day off they want. If a manager is incapable of managing that through extra staffing and incentives, that's a manager's problem. "Professional attitude", "team attitude" is literally manipulative corporate speak designed to get workers to forfeit their rights for no benefit of their own.

    that attitude does not last long where I am from.

    That means you are from a shitty place for workers, and trying to push that shitty attitude on others. That's all.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    If you want to be able to take off whatever day you want, surely you should also expect to be paid less because there has to be an extra employee on payroll that comes in with near-zero notice whenever you text "not coming in" in the morning?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    everyone can’t be off before forth of July or Christmas

    Why not? I'd argue most work isn't so important it absolutely must be done on Christmas.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    What we do saves lives

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Attention readers: before you make the mistake of digging through this thread, recognize that this poster is literally some shitty small manager of like 30 employees. Yet they talk like some deranged billionaire. Hysterical.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Psycho. Going through posting history? Blocked.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Only total losers cry about people digging through their post history. Hey kiddo, it's public information. Maybe don't be a shit poster?

    Also this is extra rich because while I do dig through post histories, I didn't actually look at yours. You posted in this thread about how many employees you manage. Dumbass.

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