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US Fatally Bombs Wedding in Iran, Killing 4, Including Children (truthout.org)
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[–] 0 points 2 months ago (25 children)

Cowbee, Iran shut off the internet because people were protesting for women's rights. This was years before the Israeli/American bombing campaign. Stop simping for authoritarian regimes. You sound like an American liberal the way you apologize for their actions.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Mossad openly admitted to being active in Iran:

    Go out into the streets together. The time has come. We are with you. Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.

    If Mossad's official Twitter account admitted this, how can you say that this wasn't a critical factor?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You're dodging the subject. Israel has been fucking with Iran for decades, that's not the question. The question is why are you okay with Iran shutting down the internet to stop a women's rights movement?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I'm okay with Iran shutting down the internet to stop a Mossad-backed color revolution intended to pave the way for the modern war against it. Do you think between the protests and the bombing of Minab elementary school that Israel and the US suddenly decided to get involved, or do you realize that this was a part of the actual plan the entire time?

    The people of Iran should be able to chart their own course, free from the interference of the genocidal US and Israeli attacks.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    ran shut off the internet because people were protesting for women’s rights

    Iran shut of internet because of organized attempts at insurrection using women's rights as an excuse. UK/US want another puppet in place shitting on gold toilets selling out the country cheap.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Two things can be true. Personally I think women's rights are a great reason for insurrection.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    They weren't a reason. They were an excuse.

    What you are actually supporting is invading and subjugating Iran.

    Also, it is amusing how you (plural) keep speaking about women's rights when as supposedly a valid reason to invade other countries (a la the white supremacist fairy tale of "civilising savages") while your empire actually died stuff like the overthrow of the socialist government of Afghanistan that did improve women's rights.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I never said I supported the invasion, you're putting words in my mouth. I said women's liberation is a good reason for people to rise up against their government, which is what an insurrection is. The US invasion of Iran is an act of imperialism intended to subjugate and exploit it, not an insurrection.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I never said I supported the invasion

    You do support pro-NATO forces subjugating Iran for the benefit of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan simply because of the pretense of "women's rights". The people that you support in this case do not care about women's rights.

    I said women’s liberation is a good reason for people to rise up against their government, which is what an insurrection is.

    These people claiming that they just want women's rights doesn't mean that that is what they actually struggle for.

    You are buying another round of Nayirah testimony/Iraq WMD and other such cases of propaganda.

    What is needed first and foremost right now is liberation from NATO, as it is the most major barrier for improving, as whichever group will try to sabotage the Iranian government - even if it will genuinely want things like women's rights - they will be used by NATO to just further (re-)subjugate Iran and wooden their living conditions.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You're ridiculous. The people I support are the Iranian people themselves, who did in fact protest over women's rights. Even if the goal of Mossad's support for the protests was to destabilize Iran in preparation for the US invasion, that does not make the protesters "pro-NATO forces," nor does it mean women's rights are nothing but a pretense. While that's certainly the case for Mossad, the protests were undeniably carried out by the Iranian people themselves to advance the cause of women's liberation.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    The people I support are the Iranian people themselves

    You (plural) say this, but every time it is some CIA/NED-backed group. And inevitably it turns out that the only reasons you (plural) do so, is because your empire told you that those are the "good ones".

    Even if the goal of Mossad’s support for the protests was to destabilize Iran in preparation for the US invasion, that does not make the protesters “pro-NATO forces,”

    Yes, it does. They are literally used by NATO to maintain or strengthen colonial subjugation of the Global South.

    nor does it mean women’s rights are nothing but a pretense.

    For these groups, it is. Their actual goals are not to improve living conditions, but bring their countries under the heel of Washington.

    While that’s certainly the case for Mossad, the protests were undeniably carried out by the Iranian people themselves to advance the cause of women’s liberation.

    As in, the low-level members of the group thought that those were the group's goals?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You (plural)

    You're lumping me in with a group I don't identity with because you're so dogmatic about your beliefs that you think anyone who contradicts them must be the enemy. I've said repeatedly that I don't support the war and that I oppose imperialism and yet you keep arguing as if I am in support of it. You speak about Iranians as if they are hapless pawns unable to think for themselves, insisting that the only reason they would protest against their government is if foreign intelligence agencies directed them to, which is actually a very colonial and condescending mindset for you to have. For an anti-imperialist, you sure like to dismiss the agency of people who are themselves victims of imperialism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    You’re lumping me in with a group I don’t identity with

    You might not voluntarily identify with the other people who are just supporting yet another group that conveniently serves NATO's interests, but so far there isn't a good case for your favourite groups attempting to improve the living conditions in the Global South.

    Hell, you actually admit that Mossad using such groups to (re-)subjugate countries in the Global South (and, thus, worsen the living conditions there) isn't enough for you to drop support for them.

    I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t support the war and that I oppose imperialism and yet you keep arguing as if I am in support of it.

    You can't claim that you do not support the war, and that you oppose imperialism (and, I assume, you also want to claim to oppose colonialism) while also supporting pro-colonial efforts that would only advance the imperialist and colonialist goals of NATO and opposing Global South states defending themselves against your empire.

    You speak about Iranians as if they are hapless pawns unable to think for themselves

    Where did I say that?
    In fact, the people of Iran have been struggling against you with a significant degree of success.
    If you meant that I do not support wannabe-compradors, then that's not an issue of thinking that people can't "think for themselves". The issue is that I do not support those wannabe-compradors.

    insisting that the only reason they would protest against their government is if foreign intelligence agencies directed them to

    Nowhere did I say that. I even pointed out that even in the cases where such groups do genuinely want to achieve better living conditions for the Global South, their efforts will be utilised by NATO to actually worsen those living conditions.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    He is literally a propagandist that never engages in good faith. I'm not sure if he works for republicans or actually believes his bullshit but he's definitely doing work for Putin.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    I have always engaged in good faith. I don't work for republicans or Putin, I spend time and money organizing as a communist.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (10 children)

    🙄

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Is there a reason you spread disinformation about me?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (8 children)

    The majority of the fediverse knows exactly what you are cow.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    I doubt I'm that famous, but even if you're correct about that, that still doesn't explain the disinformation, ie allegations of LLM use, etc.

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  • [+] 0 points 2 months ago* (7 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    Might be anecdotal, but many more people tend to like me than hate me, especially to the degree you do. Especially considering the baseless accusations of LLM use, the subsequent dehumanization of me (ie, calling me an "engagement bot"), all of this is far more unserious than taking a consistent, principled line on the DPRK, a line shared by the Black Panther Party, Party for Socialism and Liberation, and the Communist Party of Cuba (PCC). The fact is, Marxist-Leninists have been sympathetic to the Korean socialist project since its inception, and its resistance to Japanese and later US colonialism.

    As for the idea that I am "trying to get the republicans elected," or that I have changed how active I am because of primary season, neither of these have any evidence. I do actual organization work, which means organizing against Trump and the capitalist state. I have agitated against both the democrats and republicans consistently, because I am a socialist, a Marxist-Leninist specifically. This consistent, principled stance does not make me "bad-faith," even if you yourself disagree with Marxism and Marxism-Leninism. I put my skin on the line and roll my sleeves up because I truly believe a better world is possible, if that's "bad-faith" then what would you consider to be "good-faith?" Anything you personally agree with? Would also like an example of how my understanding of theory is shallow, I love to know how to improve.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    I had to go through a stage of deliberately training myself to not great-(wo)man a few comrades, but I still love you all.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Haha, it's an easy trap. Socialism comes from the working class, while leaders are important we have to understand that the working class as a whole is the maker of history.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You encourage people not to vote because you genuinely believe democrats and republicans are the same. This gets republicans elected, therefore you work to get republicans elected. You refuse to acknowledge the fundamental reality that third parties are wholly nonviable as a means of political change in the US. You refuse to acknowledge the currently successful strategy of primarying democrats with progressives and preventing republicans from winning in the general by any means necessary which in very nearly every instance explicitly means voting for the democrat. And you never actually directly address criticisms you don't have a questionably sourced talking point for, hence the commonly held opinion you use ai for your comments. You're not a serious person.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I encourage people to not treat voting as the primary source of political engagement anyone has. For me, it does not matter who people vote for, as revolution remains necessary. That isn't to say Republicans and Democrats are the same, they do have some differences, but their overall function as maintainers of imperialism leads to critical conclusions: trying to "push the democrats left" is a failed endeavor and cannot work.

    I don't believe third party voting is a meaningful way of gaining political change, because I don't believe reformism works. The purpose of third party political participation in elections is to prove the ineffectiveness of reformism, to advertise the party platform, and to gain new members. This is the extent that socialists understand elections to be genuinely effective.

    The current wave of the DSA successfully primarying establishment Democrats is a signifier of increasing socialist sympathies. However, and this is critical, it will not lead to socialism. It will also not end imperialism, and therefore it will not be able to stop the gradual decay of the current capitalist system. There are hard limits to what reforms can accomplish without revolutionary change.

    I have no idea what criticisms you are referring to that I haven't challenged, if you have an example I'm more than happy to address it. As for accusations of LLM use being "common," I've only ever seen you and one other user make such an accusation, so again, not sure where you're getting that idea. Also not sure what you mean by "questionably sourced," if you have an example of a source you are skeptical of, then please let me know.

    I am in fact a serious person. I have fun too, of course, but I have been consistent in my socialist views and advocacy, and active in real life. I put my words into practice because I want a better world. Am I Lenin 2? By no means, I don't have such a high opinion of myself. Do I put in effort? Yes, I spend hours every week outside of work continuing my organizing and education/study efforts.

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