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Should've banned it all the way through high school, but it's better than most. (lemmy.world)
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[–] 13 points 2 months ago (34 children)

You can go read on r/teachers (https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Teachers) just how bad this shit is getting--both phone use, and AI use for assignments.

We seriously need to completely ban both phones and AI use in grade school. Back to pencil and paper, and "show your work". The kids coming out of high school now can barely read, beyond texting. It's frightening.

If you give a fuck about your kids, you'll make sure they can read and write, because the schools don't give a fuck about your kids.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    One thing to promote literacy might be calm down about the sex, drugs and violence in books. I didn't have a single interesting assigned reading until Red Dragon in highschool.

    A Time to Kill, great. Wish I read that instead of to kill a mockingbird.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Bad take, Mockingbird is great. Compelling and depressingly relevant to this day.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    It's a good book, yes, but I was not interested in it and I had the executive function of a teenage boy.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    If we catered education to only the things that appeal to the most distracted teenage boys it would just be tits and explosions.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Actually I'd like to argue the reflective point: why is there not an expectation that coursework should be interesting and compelling for students?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    why is there not an expectation that coursework should be interesting and compelling for students?

    As you said, you had the executive function of a teenage boy. The works still get taught because they are interesting and relevant. but it's hard to see that as a kid, as you're developing vocabulary and literacy and also lacking life experiences to relate.

    Schools try to compromise by giving a list of choices and letting students choose from those on what is most interesting. But curriculums only flex so much.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    they are interesting and relevant. but it’s hard to see that as a kid

    Yeah so there's this projection of, this is good and valuable to you, regardless what your circumstances and abilities are.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    In some extents, yes. I get what you're saying, but I do believe the ability to recognize and reflect om your country's dark spots (past and present) and recognize the rise of an authoritarian regime are universal lessons.

    To clarify, I'm not opposed to fitting some YA literature as well into that too. I was introduced to Pendragon through 9th grade English, and ended up reading the entire series by myself afterwards.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    If it gets them writing essays and participating who cares?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Because analyzing themes and connecting it to history and sociology are important media literacy skills that high schoolers should be learning.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    A Time to Kill won't fulfill that?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    I think maybe "retributive vigilantism is good actually" isn't a school-appropriate message.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's back to my first point

    calm down about the sex, drugs and violence in books. I didn’t have a single interesting assigned reading

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well that's a skill issue. Just off the top of my head: Romeo & Juliet (most Shakespeare fills at least one of those), Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm, 1984, fucking Canterbury Tales these are not boring stories it seems like you want vapid entertainment rather than education.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I forgot about Lord of the flies. So that's two books from 8th grade through highschool, I was not assigned the rest of those.

    But sure, a time to kill is vapid compared to to kill a Mockingbird. The one where the black characters have agency, and the choices that the lawyer makes with intention matter and have consequences, is vapid. The one where the kids shame a lynchmob and that's the only real disobedience to the system shown in the book is superior.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Schools are warehouses to hold children while parents are at work.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (10 children)

    Public schools are. For high school, I went to a free online charter school. I received a substantially better education than my friends in the magnet public high school.

    I get there are other problems with the whole 'school choice' debate, but my family was broke and I was still able to get a better education. That's a plus imo and I'd recommend it to anyone.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    If we forced rich people to send their children to public schools, public schools would get a lot better. By allowing them to have a choice, they choose to defund the public school.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If we forced rich people to send their children to public schools, they would all move to public school districts in areas with housing too expensive for poor families to afford. That's not a hypothetical, that's just current reality.

    The problem is rich people, not what options they do or do not have.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    That's solvable with bussing, unless rich people all want to live out in the middle of nowhere in compounds or something.

    The problem is rich people, which is why we should take away their options. They currently have the option to make rich-only school districts and we could take that away from them too. Point is, we have to force them to use the same school as everyone else.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's an illusion either way. Public schools are funded by property taxes. property taxes are based on the home's worth. So you see how this snowballs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Property taxes keep getting cut and capped by people who don't use public schools, because they don't see the personal benefit to it.

    This would have an effect.

    Although pooling property taxes across entire states makes more sense than the weird school district thing we have going on.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I went to one of the worst schools in my state. The education was fine, schools are judged by their student body, not the teachers.

    Graduated undergrad with a 4.0 in my engineering field, then got a doctorate from one of the most prestigious programs in the world. Now I'm a depressed techie waiting to FIRE, but I wouldn't blame my public high school for that.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    “No child left behind” turned into “more children left behind.”

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    They weren't left behind; they were trampled by the machine pushing them forward.

    And, in retrospect, the reality of "No Child Left Behind" fits the MO of US governance: they are catering to the optics of "a child being held back in grade" and not to the actual issues that are preventing the child from learning.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Totally freeking agree. My family are all teachers and wow. The protocol for cellphones is you put them away at your cubby.

    But now they’re bringing their real phones AND a dummy one to put in the pouches instead.

    nd yes. AI destroying critical thinking skills. This generation is fucked. iPad parents as well.

    Shortening attention spans with those “shorts” on YouTube and other places.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    ...just put signal jammers in each class in easy to reach spot for a teacher, sheesh. AI requires net, FB and Insta too. Nowadays kids don't do offline so that should solve the problem.

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