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[–] 41 points 2 months ago (21 children)

There is no justification for attacking on civilians.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    In the linked article no one suggests attacks on civilians. Rather it reads as a way to avoid unnecessary casulties.

    What a clickbait headline.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    Sure but that's a threat and a weak cover. The logistics of covering Russian airspace with so many drones that a civilian aircraft would just happen into one is ridiculous. This is an incredibly common tactic.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Yeah this is what he actually said...

    "Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe."

    "Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account"

    "We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over. It is important that this is heard by the ambassadors of countries represented here in Ukraine, as well as by ambassadors working in Moscow."

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    “Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”

    bro, you gotta learn to read imperialese. this is imperial speak to say we're going to kill civilians. didn't you learn form the "enhanced interrogation" scandal from the gringo fascist empire?

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  • [+] -15 points 2 months ago*

    It’s actually closer to Irans playbook, making the Strait unnavigable. Notice that he explicitly called out insurers in the speech. He wants to exercise political control over the Russian airspace and he’s using drones to do it. “Too risky to travel” means no travel. That’s not killing civilians.

    It should also be completely fair to say, “hey… this is an active war zone. You probably shouldn’t fly here.” At a certain point, the risk is something that the airliner chose to accept. It’s not that Ukraine would target them. It’s that you’re in a fucking war zone, know the risks. Be glad you even got a warning for what should be common sense.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (14 children)
  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    That’s not justification for killing more civilians that’s psychotic.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    If airlines care about not losing planes and people they will stop flying over Russia so it would have the ideal result of shutting down flights there. Ethically it's a bit fucked but it's likely an effective way to apply more pressure. And it's not like Russia can't just stop all of this.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I need you to understand the line you are choosing to cross here. You are now openly, in front of everybody, shrugging and vaguely justifying open mass terror against civilians.

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  • [+] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Well, that includes Russians.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Yes it does. It includes both Russian civilians and Ukrainian civilians

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    No idea why I've been downvoted. Deliberately killing any civilians is a war crime. End of point.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Because your original comment says “well Russia does it …” kindof seems like you’re implying an “eye for an eye” situation is just here. If your comment was focusing on Russian civilian death, too, it doesn’t really seem like it, kinda more like you're trying to act like Russia kills way more Ukrainian civilians and that makes it ok that Ukraine can kill Russian civilians, because “well Russia does it too …”

    If that wasn’t your intention then I apologize but you must see how it comes off that way.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I guess I've been misundestood. English does that to me time to time. What I meant is, there is no justification for attacking on civilians no matter which side you are on, that includes Russian civilians. Definitely didn't want to mean eye for an eye. That's terrible.

    Thanks for the heads up.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well hey, your English has me convinced! I’d much rather give tips on English than explain why killing civilians, no matter who, is bad 😅 rock on friend !

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