Rimu recently started a new rant thread. I copied the response of the person they had targeted and in less than a minute Rimu had deleted the comment.

This is the comment Rimu did not want people being able to see: https://feddit.uk/post/53824748/26875911

This is the thread I shared it on: https://feddit.uk/post/53824747

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[–] 91 points 2 months ago (92 children)

I don't see how people can still use piefed with someone like this in charge. A new red flag pops up every month. It's hard to see them among all the other red flags.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    good news, nobody who like Piefed has to use it. we've gotten PyLova to the point it's running Quokk.au and Anarchist.Nexus, and we've not only removed the censorship and the bias, but we've also improved the UI, made some new themes, and most important of all patched some security vulnerabilities.

    at this point it's better than Piefed in every way.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Just curious, but why not use Lemmy instead?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    For me in particular:

    • reactions (prevents rank abuse)
    • tags
    • mirror integration
    • multi-com interactivity
    • remote instance cannot delete posts/comments by default (gaslight abuse)
    • <img height="auto">

    Other stuff idcb:

    • polls
    • comment voting (stackoverflow)
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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    one of the biggest for me is the ability to disable downvotes for people who aren't from trusted servers. we have a lot of :slopper: downvoting anything genAI they see. restricting downvotes to exclusively FAF instances wiped out the problem.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I use the term “rank” now, because pylova/fed already implemented comment voting, as in, if you post a question, anyone can vote for answers. It's meant to give pylova stackoverflow behaviours: best voted answer get pinned up. Ranking a comment or post doesn't affect how folks pin comments on a question post.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is my first hearing of PyLova, could I get a rundown? Is it a fork of piefed? Seperate project? Are there things it has that piefed doesnt, or things piefed has that PyLova doesnt currently? What's the state of app support (I assume not there presently, which is totally fair)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    It's a fork of piefed that's currently more feature advanced. If you scroll through the comments on this post somebody else posted more details about said features.

    App support is identical to piefed, since the api is the same.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I would definitely argue that there's a bit of wiggle room on freed slaves offing their oppressors though. It wasn't just him.

    My hindsight take is that it was a justifiable action considering the history of humanity and how slave revolt tends to be handled. Wiping out the overlords instead of exiling them is a form of preemptive strike.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    What about kbin/mbin? I haven't heard anything terrible about them at least.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    As someone who persistently forgets to give kbin a try for years already, I'm wondering if the lack of notable drama is in part at fault of why people don't know about it / don't use it...

    ...Or, with any luck, it's just me.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I really don't ask for a HUGE amount, I think:

    1. The main maintainer of the codebase isn't a power trippin' bastard (if they are a PTB, then I don't trust them not to surreptitiously inject malicious code into it at some point)

    2. The person who owns/runs the instance isn't a power trippin' bastard (if they are a PTB, then I don't trust them not to basically function as a malicious man-in-the-middle attack at some point)

    3. The instance isn't hosted in the USA (if it is hosted in the USA, then I don't trust the instance to be resilient against governmental overreach and spying) or any other untrustworthy countries

    That's kind of it, really. But so far, I'm struggling to get past point 1. Both Lemmy and Piefed seem to be maintained by nutjobs. I'm honestly considering going back to Reddit. Maybe kbin will be OK...

    EDIT: I mean mbin. Apparently kbin is dead.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Your comment is whataboutism and a deflection. Saying something isn't what it is doesn't make it any less is.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago

    This has got to be the worst use of "straw man" I have seen on lemmy so far. And I've seen some bad ones.

    Just a tip, you can't call every argument you don't like a straw man. It has a meaning.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    It's definitely whataboutism.

    I asked why people use piefed despite the drama, Eldritch's argument was that lemmy devs are bad, and hey, aren't all developers kinda bad?

    That's like if I asked why some people like shit on their chest and they said "some of us don't like getting pissed on."

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    Preference. I tried piefed and didn't like it. I like lemmy. Lemmy's devs are more objective when it comes to their platform than Rimu is. The way the devs run their home instance doesn't bother me too much. There is no equivalent to .today, in terms of no blocked instances and a viewable modlog, on piefed.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Under the rule of Dessalines, Haiti became the first country in the Americas to permanently abolish slavery.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    start reading argument about Lemmy and Piefed

    somehow end up reading about Haitian racist genocide.

    Internet be hittin today, bruh

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Oh so that makes it okay that they rounded up all the white polish etc minority on the island

    Famously the one group that was spared.

    Only to then be fucked by France and the United States for the next Century afterwards.

    The US and France had fucked over Saint Domingue long before Dessalines was overthrown. It was Dessalines who was forced to sign the treaty which indebted the entire nation as price for their freedom. It came with support from slaveholders like Jefferson who correctly, saw the Haitian Revolution as an existential threat to their way of life.

    The point is to highlight the concept of Critical Support. Dessalines isn't someone to idolize like Toussant, he was a ruthless thug. But Napoleon rejected the alliance that Toussant offered. So faced with the choice of re-enslavement under Napoleon and Rochambeau, I would've taken Dessalines any day.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    Kinda weird that you don't mention the whole former slave who led the resistance to abolish slavery and free his country thing.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Okay, see? That's a strawman. Now you know.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Eldritch commented on Desalines' choice of name without important context, as though to posit the question: Why name oneself after a genocidal dictator? I added context in case anyone else wondered the same thing and hadn't heard the name before.

    There's no reason to believe I excuse anything.

    For everything else, feel free to visit your local library.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Do you even know the history of Haiti and why it is globally relevant? You CANNOT divorce that from the context of this.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    I didn't say any of those things, I am pointing out you are carrying water for european slavery empires by stripping the context.

    If you cannot get over the individual to understand the context, your understanding of people and history will continue to be egregiously broken and myopic.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I don't really think you have done what you say, and if you have in this thread it has been from a defensive and reactive standpoint that concedes context and nuance rather than willingly invoking them.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    The Haitian massacre did occur, but you're making claims that white allies were killed. You specifically cited the Poles in Haiti who were among the population of whites granted amnesty and citizenship for their role in rejecting the French.

    You were categorically wrong and are trying to breeze past it.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Some people still believe @dessalines@lemmy.ml and @nutomic@lemmy.ml are out to get them I guess. It's ironic because every talking point about developer overreach and unilateral decisions applies to piefed more than it does Lemmy. I know it has more features and it feels like Lemmy 1.0 is taking forever, I'm still holding out hope for it and making do with what we have here.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, they need to be able to see the red flags for them to get them to leave.

    This community doesn't exist on piefed.social, so anything posted here isn't visible to anyone there.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Totally agree with you. Which sucks because I really wanted to like the project. But the more stuff that comes out about it and the creator just makes me shake my head.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Same here. I even tried it, finding the whole project tainted with Rimus outspoken ideals. While, on lemmy, all the bullshit is in the open and corralled into the devs pet instance.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I appreciate how the lemmy developers keep their views and moderation decisions separate from the software. Opinions and moderation are unavoidably divisive topics. Keeping that separate from the software itself is smart. I don't hold their views against the lemmy platform because of that separation.

    I wish Rimu would see the wisdom in keeping those things separate. Its damaging to piefed, which is otherwise quite good.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I wish Rimu would see the wisdom in keeping those things separate. Its damaging to piefed, which is otherwise quite good.

    Sadly it isn't possible as they're less making a federation software as trying to make their own vision of what social media should be.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I get where you're coming from but they are is not me trying to do any gender.

    Plus it's hard to want to give respect to someone who gives zero respect to anyone else especially the Trans community

    Edit I love my instance bur damn does it's unstable nature make it hard sometimes

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago*

    Have they not hung up men with heads downward, drowned them in sacks, crucified them on planks, buried them alive, crushed them in mortars? Have they not forced them to consume faeces? And, having flayed them with the lash, have they not cast them alive to be devoured by worms, or onto anthills, or lashed them to stakes in the swamp to be devoured by mosquitoes? Have they not thrown them into boiling cauldrons of cane syrup? Have they not put men and women inside barrels studded with spikes and rolled them down mountainsides into the abyss? Have they not consigned these miserable blacks to man-eating dogs until the latter, sated by human flesh, left the mangled victims to be finished off with bayonet and poniard?

    I don't know why he chose that name but it seems like a deliberate provocation. That violence begets violence, and still without violence we cannot resist the oppressors. And that you can only liberate yourself and others by getting your hands dirty.

    So I think it's hypocrisy to reduce the historical figure Dessalines to a genocidal dictator. To use a thought terminating cliche about simplistic "good vs evil" ethics and derail a discussion that was about something else.

    Every time you start a war you accept that war crimes will happen. It is inevitable in wars. There are no clean wars. War is slaughter, and when soldiers or the oppressed are put into extremis some will act like animals.

    So how much of the guilt for the massacre lies with the slavers?

    Yet liberals pretend that they do not put people into extremis. That their reasons were justified and intentions noble, that their wars and their hands are clean. But violence begets violence.

    That is what the name of the user tells me, and what that comment tells me.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Based on some of the comments in this thread it's people who are still ignoring red flags, projecting onto others, and still would rather insult others that aren't those dirty fucking tankies than be willing to acknowledge any flaws with rimu or the piefed code

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