▲ 138 ▼ Yay. Underpaid freelance workers are now part of the surveillance state (discuss.online) submitted 3 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/boycottus@lemmy.ca 13 comments fedilink hide all child comments News article https://cybernews.com/news/flock-uber-lyft-vehicles-surveillance/
[–] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 3 months ago (4 children) Uh, what exactly was said that you thought was wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) I agreed that the Chinese live under a far more massive surveillance state than Americans. The issue is that the vibe of it is completely different from the USA's. I would be super paranoid about surveillance equipment in the USA being anywhere around me because I know that it's used basically to extract money from the citizenry in the guise of "fines" that line the pockets of police officials and their cronies in the consulting world. Here, despite being under surveillance from practically the moment I leave my building's front door until I reach my workplace or another person's home or the like I've never, not even once in 25 years, had that surveillance intrude into my life. I have, however, lived through the period before the surveillance was put into place and where theft of many kinds (bicycles and scooters were what I saw happening most) was commonplace. The issue is that the Chinese government is all about "social stability" and they're smart enough to know that if surveillance was used America-style—as rent extraction, basically—that this leads to instability. So they very publicly use it against crime, selling it as a net positive to their citizens. The vibe is completely different. (Note: I'm not denying that it's weaponized against dissidence. Dissidents cause "social instability" and … well, yeah. Guess what the Chinese government is allergic to. I just lack any direct information about this.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kbal@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Well I don't know your situation but just in case it is useful I would remind you to consider the possibility that "dissidents" of some kinds that the state would punish if they were found out might be more common than you imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I do consider the possibility. Do you consider that the number of dissidents here might be far lower than you believe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago Of course — most of my info comes from people who left there for Canada, not exactly an unbiased crowd. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) I agreed that the Chinese live under a far more massive surveillance state than Americans. The issue is that the vibe of it is completely different from the USA's. I would be super paranoid about surveillance equipment in the USA being anywhere around me because I know that it's used basically to extract money from the citizenry in the guise of "fines" that line the pockets of police officials and their cronies in the consulting world. Here, despite being under surveillance from practically the moment I leave my building's front door until I reach my workplace or another person's home or the like I've never, not even once in 25 years, had that surveillance intrude into my life. I have, however, lived through the period before the surveillance was put into place and where theft of many kinds (bicycles and scooters were what I saw happening most) was commonplace. The issue is that the Chinese government is all about "social stability" and they're smart enough to know that if surveillance was used America-style—as rent extraction, basically—that this leads to instability. So they very publicly use it against crime, selling it as a net positive to their citizens. The vibe is completely different. (Note: I'm not denying that it's weaponized against dissidence. Dissidents cause "social instability" and … well, yeah. Guess what the Chinese government is allergic to. I just lack any direct information about this.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kbal@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Well I don't know your situation but just in case it is useful I would remind you to consider the possibility that "dissidents" of some kinds that the state would punish if they were found out might be more common than you imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I do consider the possibility. Do you consider that the number of dissidents here might be far lower than you believe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago Of course — most of my info comes from people who left there for Canada, not exactly an unbiased crowd. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kbal@fedia.io 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) Well I don't know your situation but just in case it is useful I would remind you to consider the possibility that "dissidents" of some kinds that the state would punish if they were found out might be more common than you imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I do consider the possibility. Do you consider that the number of dissidents here might be far lower than you believe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago Of course — most of my info comes from people who left there for Canada, not exactly an unbiased crowd. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I do consider the possibility. Do you consider that the number of dissidents here might be far lower than you believe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago Of course — most of my info comes from people who left there for Canada, not exactly an unbiased crowd. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kbal@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago Of course — most of my info comes from people who left there for Canada, not exactly an unbiased crowd. permalink fedilink source parent