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"We're totally different sides!" (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 17 points 1 year ago* (23 children)

I fucking hope, but we already seen that at 1st Trump term and after Biden was elected entire EU again got back to licking US boot, including something as unbelivable as fully allowing nordstream sabotage.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It don't though, it just rises the price of energy because the gas still flows, even more than before, just from USA, Norway and yes, sill Russia, even more of it, but through middlemen. The sabotage also caused significant ecological catastrophe in the Baltic.

    About the sabotage itself you have three versions available:

    1. Truth, that USA bombed it, possibly with participation of Norway (note above paragraph, curiously the very same countries that gained the most on it, qui bono, eh?)
    2. USA version, where Ukraine did it, despite lacking means
    3. Official German/EU version, that is no version, because both above versions means that Germany is either vassal (ver1) or war ally (ver2) of country which attacked Germany in a biggest peacetime sabotage in German history.
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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Bullshit. German politics is riddled with the same talking points as the US. Just today i read a german article talking about a "german roe v wade"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    In seiner Stellungnahme gegenüber „t-online.de“ führte Reimer weiter aus, dass er Brosius-Gersdorf, deren Wahl vor einer Woche aufgrund mangelnder Unterstützung innerhalb der Unionsfraktion ausgesetzt worden war, als Aktivistin wahrnehme, „die über eine Neuinterpretation des Grundgesetzes ein deutsches ,Roe v. Wade‘ erreichen will“. Darin sehe er einen „Bruch mit der gesamten bisherigen Rechtsprechung des Bundesverfassungsgerichts zu Art. 2 Abs. 2 GG“. Jener Artikel besagt: „Jeder hat das Recht auf Leben und körperliche Unversehrtheit. Die Freiheit der Person ist unverletzlich. In diese Rechte darf nur auf Grund eines Gesetzes eingegriffen werden.“

    https://www.die-tagespost.de/politik/katholischer-rechtswissenschaftler-ergaenzte-brosius-gersdorfs-wikipedia-eintrag-um-passage-zum-lebensschutz-art-265468

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Everyone I know, knows what Roe v Wade is...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Because its in the news everywhere?? Just google "deutsch roe v wade" and you'll see so many newsarticles about it. Genuinely the minutiae of us politics, government shutdowns etc. get widespread coverage in tagesschau, spiegel, focus etc.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Because we're a vassal state, so any major changes in the upper echelons of the empire will affect us, including all the "culture wars", such as the war on trans kids, womens rights etc. that get imported.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A lot of the nazis especially in eastern europe got or still get funded by the cia because of their staunch anticommunism via gladio operations. Thats not to blame the empire for the bigotry of the average european but a lot of the fascist orgs get material support from seppoland.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, the ussr did not fund paramilitary nazi groups formed from the remnants of former SS troops, or anything similar.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Some cultural exchanges and auxiliary funding is not remotely the same as arming and connecting former SS troops to create clandestine paramilitary terror cells, like wtf are we comparing here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They werent funded, armed or trained by the ussr afaik and did not terrorise civilians.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I recommend providing sources next time youre making the comperison between nazi terror cells doing pogroms and some revolutionary groups doing targeted assasinations of fascist politicians. Provide a source that the assassination of Aldo moro was financed or otherwise materially supported by the ussr or shut up. Because I found nothing of the sort.

    Either way still not remotely comparable to what the wannabe-dirlewangers did and still do:

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Republicans just convinced Europe that the USA cannot be trusted anymore

    FYI: in the EU we don’t play the “it was Biden vs it was Trump” game. We stop at “it was the US”.

    What?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You literally just said that it was because of Republicans that the EU soured on the US and now you're telling me that in the EU you don't look at which party is in charge but at the US as a whole. Do you not see how these statements are contradictory?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Ok? The significance of the clip I posted was not that it was Biden saying it but what he said he would do (and very likely did). Why did that prompt you say, "FYI: in the EU we don’t play the “it was Biden vs it was Trump” game. We stop at “it was the US?”"

    The reason I posted that clip was to establish the reason why I believe the US blew up the pipeline. Yes, it happens to be Biden in that clip, but you're the one who started talking about distinguishing between Trump and Biden and then about not distinguishing between Trump and Biden. I'm just talking about the US.

    The only thing I can think of is that you're trying to preemptively shift the NordStream thing away from Biden and onto the US in general as a way of deflecting blame from Biden. But again, I just brought it up to establish US policy on NordStream, not specifically to bash Biden. If it's not that, then I just straight up don't understand you at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why would I want to deflect blame from Biden? I’m telling you that I’m a European and I don’t care who’s in charge in the US or which president did what.

    Why did you feel the need to say that you don't care about internal US politics when I didn't say shit about internal US politics?

    All I did was post a clip of the US president promising that he'll stop NordStream if Russia invaded Ukraine, despite not having the legal authority to do so. Then, of course, Russia invaded Ukraine, and the NordStream pipeline mysteriously got stopped (could be anyone, really!)

    because that sabotage was very convenient for every party

    It certainly wasn't convenient for Russia or Germany.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You mentioned that I may want to deflect the responsibility from Biden. -> I don’t have such interests.

    Again, why did you feel the need to say that you don’t care about internal US politics when I didn’t say shit about internal US politics?

    Whoever did it

    Yeah, could be Russia's biggest geopolitical rival that directly benefited both politically and economically by forcing Europe to buy their gas instead and which said that it would do that exact thing under those exact conditions and easily have the means to do it, or it could've been anyone, really.

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