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"This is what those filthy Democratic Socialists want!" 😤😤😤 (discuss.online)
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[–] 12 points 3 months ago (17 children)

Free Palestein bad? It's bad that people should have freedom and not live under a genocidal apartheid state? You got any other horrific opinions you want to share with the group? Where do you stand on bone cancer for children? Big fan I'm guessing.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    im all for free palestine in terms of ending the occupation, (though i think it will lead to worse outcomes and more violence, i think they should still be given that right) but in terms of the war against hamas im 100% for it and i think israel should neutralize hamas. but when most people talk about "free palestine" they mean stopping the gaza war, but i have no problem with killing terrorists.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    The term "terrorist" is subjective though.

    The violence committed in the war against Hamas seems much worse than that caused by Hamas.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    when you fight a war who is the terrorist isnt determined by the number of people killed on each side, it's determined by the intentions of the people doing the killing. for instance, when the US went after ISIS it's estimated that between 10,000 to 27,000 ISIS were killed and only 30 US people were killed.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    That's not really true though is it.

    You have to consider not only the intentions but also the capability of the threat you're trying to mitigate. Then you have to balance those things against the cost of whatever action you intend to take.

    Sure the fanciful desire of hamas might be global domination but we both know that they just don't have any capability in that regard.

    It's absurd to suggest that it's appropriate to grind an entire nation to dust because they might be harboring someone with desires of global domination.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Well the intentions of the Israelis are the extermination of entire people so yeah pretty sure we know who the real terrorists are.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    actually you have it the opposite. the israeli goal is to eliminate hamas (the terrorists) and live in peace and hamas's goal is the extinction of jews and then most likely global domination of islam as a whole.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You should at least try to be believable when you troll.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    if israel wanted to kill arabs why is 20% of their population arab? why target palestinians specifically and not arabs in general when they are the same race? what differentiates palestinians from other arabs to where israelis only want to kill palestinians but are fine in living in peace with their 20% arab population in israel?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It’s simple, the Palestinians live in territory that Israel wants to take over, and they’re flattening it all and killing civilians. They are murdering women and children. They are bombing hospitals and schools, they are sniping kids for fun. We have video. We have statements of intent to exterminate them all, whether they are Hamas or not. It’s way beyond the pale and it’s not even close.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It’s simple, the Palestinians live in territory that Israel wants to take over

    i mean, israel says there's a security threat. if mexico was firing rockets into the US the US would have military presence in there too. i don't know much about settlements or whatever, but it seems like you're not looking at both sides of the situation

    and they’re flattening it all and killing civilians. They are murdering women and children. They are bombing hospitals and schools, they are sniping kids for fun. We have video.

    not according to the civilian to combatant death ratio. every war has war crimes though. can you name me 1 war that didn't have war crimes committed in it?

    We have statements of intent to exterminate them all, whether they are Hamas or not.

    there are extremists but that is not the israeli governments position nor is it anywhere near the majority of israeli's position. it's a tiny minority, almost so minute that it's not even worth mentioning, like worrying about racism by the kkk in 2026.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    And the Palestinians don't have a right to kill the Israeli terrorists who are murdering children in the streets of the West Bank?

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    everyone has a right to defend themselves but the civilian to combatant death ratio is anywhere from 1:1 at the lowest to 1:8 at the highest, probably realistically 1:3 or 1:4 (normal for war). israeli does not just murder children in the streets, they are fighting a war that has civilian casualties and the numbers show that.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Combat deaths according to whom? The genocidal maniacs who shoot babies for fun? You trust their numbers?

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago

    no the israeli number is 1:1 and the independent sources say anywhere from 5:1 and 8:1, 8:1 being the highest estimate that i've seen. i take a middle ground between the israel number and the independent sources because it's impossible to know the exact number during an on-going war and you have two sides giving two different numbers. clearly there are two very different methodologies to get two totally different numbers and during an on-going conflict it's impossible to know who is right. but you're coming at this from a premise that israel is genocidal maniacs which is showing a bias, when the reported numbers are what determines whether they are genocidal maniacs or not. but personally, i would say even with the worse case number from people who have a bias against israel it is not genocidal.

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