▲ 320 ▼ MS Word opens twice as slow on Windows 11 PCs as on MacBooks, and Microsoft has no excuse (www.windowslatest.com) submitted 3 months ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/pcmasterrace@lemmy.world 52 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (16 children) What a dumb reason to quit a job lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] finley@lemmy.zip -8 points 3 months ago* (8 children) I wouldn’t know. I’ve never been stupid enough to work for a company that uses Microsoft products. Have you ever been that stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago (5 children) I’ve never been stupid enough to work for a company that uses Microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Don’t blame me because you have a shitty job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) You're claiming to have NEVER worked at a company that uses ANY of these? Half of their products are server-side and you'd never know you were using them as an end user. Unless you've literally never worked anywhere at all, that's extremely unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I’ve been a freelancer since I graduated from design school. I work for myself and choose my own software. If that’s so unbelievable to you, I don’t know what to tell you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You work for yourself, not employed by another company. So you are being disingenuous. I think many (most?) would argue that is basically the same as lying about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent [–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm hoping you're still young so that you have more of a chance to mature. You're confusing necessity for stupidity and completely missing the fact that people need money to survive. My guess is that you grew up fairly wealthy so you never really had to consider that financial problems exist. You even said something correct below in that avoiding the use of Microsoft is a privilege but I'm also guessing you don't realize exactly what that means. It doesn't make you intellectually superior to anyone, just that you're lucky you're in that position. Similar to how having enough money to not worry about grocery store prices or having no chronic diseases are privileges. Part of being a good graphic designer is having enough empathy to connect with people so that your design goes through. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) I’m old enough to recognize arrogant bullshit when I see it. And your arrogant pretense betrays itself– – because either you had enough money to pay for that bullshit, or you’re just some jealous asshole who didn’t. otherwise, you wouldn’t be so angry, so bitter as to complain about it, about me here, decades later. zero cool I got by by being clever enough to get what I needed without having to pay for it. And I don’t care whether or not you believe me. Because it happened. And here I am. and that’s all the proof I need to show. and I understand why you may resent me for that, you have absolutely zero right to judge me for it. so fucking deal with it permalink fedilink source parent [+] mycodesucks@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago (6 children) Depends. I've happily turned down jobs that required me to use Windows and the amount of daily frustration I avoid as a result is worth every bit of the pickiness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child) This sounds like you are privilaged permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago It is a privilege to not have to use Microsoft products permalink fedilink source parent [+] Syndication@lemmy.today 5 points 3 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I mean couldn’t you just use a virtual machine on Linux or MacOS if you needed to use it for work? Most jobs require you to use a company-supplied machine. Where of course you can't swap operating systems. People just put up with it even when they'd like alternatives, because it's just one of the unpleasant things we do to stay employed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Syndication@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 3 months ago Everyone above this comment was expressing frustration with using MS products. This doesn't go away with a VM and personal privacy has no bearing. I have a job that is computer-adjacent, and still use MS products enough to swear at them every day I work. As a former programmer, im not sure I'd want to get back to doing that full-time if I had to use other MS products more. I hear the coding stack is still exceptional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago It's just not worth it to me to wait several minutes for things to properly boot, be nagged with updates and aggravating messages, and then have my system start thrashing halfway through my day. I don't care how good the pay is - I don't use tools that will aggravate me. They can hire someone else. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago Downvote all you like. I'm happy picking the jobs I want and don't have to maintain proficiency in a bad tool I hate using. You do you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] finley@lemmy.zip -8 points 3 months ago* (8 children) I wouldn’t know. I’ve never been stupid enough to work for a company that uses Microsoft products. Have you ever been that stupid? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago (5 children) I’ve never been stupid enough to work for a company that uses Microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Don’t blame me because you have a shitty job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) You're claiming to have NEVER worked at a company that uses ANY of these? Half of their products are server-side and you'd never know you were using them as an end user. Unless you've literally never worked anywhere at all, that's extremely unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I’ve been a freelancer since I graduated from design school. I work for myself and choose my own software. If that’s so unbelievable to you, I don’t know what to tell you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You work for yourself, not employed by another company. So you are being disingenuous. I think many (most?) would argue that is basically the same as lying about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent [–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm hoping you're still young so that you have more of a chance to mature. You're confusing necessity for stupidity and completely missing the fact that people need money to survive. My guess is that you grew up fairly wealthy so you never really had to consider that financial problems exist. You even said something correct below in that avoiding the use of Microsoft is a privilege but I'm also guessing you don't realize exactly what that means. It doesn't make you intellectually superior to anyone, just that you're lucky you're in that position. Similar to how having enough money to not worry about grocery store prices or having no chronic diseases are privileges. Part of being a good graphic designer is having enough empathy to connect with people so that your design goes through. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) I’m old enough to recognize arrogant bullshit when I see it. And your arrogant pretense betrays itself– – because either you had enough money to pay for that bullshit, or you’re just some jealous asshole who didn’t. otherwise, you wouldn’t be so angry, so bitter as to complain about it, about me here, decades later. zero cool I got by by being clever enough to get what I needed without having to pay for it. And I don’t care whether or not you believe me. Because it happened. And here I am. and that’s all the proof I need to show. and I understand why you may resent me for that, you have absolutely zero right to judge me for it. so fucking deal with it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago (5 children) I’ve never been stupid enough to work for a company that uses Microsoft products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Don’t blame me because you have a shitty job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) You're claiming to have NEVER worked at a company that uses ANY of these? Half of their products are server-side and you'd never know you were using them as an end user. Unless you've literally never worked anywhere at all, that's extremely unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I’ve been a freelancer since I graduated from design school. I work for myself and choose my own software. If that’s so unbelievable to you, I don’t know what to tell you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You work for yourself, not employed by another company. So you are being disingenuous. I think many (most?) would argue that is basically the same as lying about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finley@lemmy.zip -4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Don’t blame me because you have a shitty job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) You're claiming to have NEVER worked at a company that uses ANY of these? Half of their products are server-side and you'd never know you were using them as an end user. Unless you've literally never worked anywhere at all, that's extremely unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I’ve been a freelancer since I graduated from design school. I work for myself and choose my own software. If that’s so unbelievable to you, I don’t know what to tell you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You work for yourself, not employed by another company. So you are being disingenuous. I think many (most?) would argue that is basically the same as lying about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 2 points 3 months ago (3 children) You're claiming to have NEVER worked at a company that uses ANY of these? Half of their products are server-side and you'd never know you were using them as an end user. Unless you've literally never worked anywhere at all, that's extremely unlikely. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I’ve been a freelancer since I graduated from design school. I work for myself and choose my own software. If that’s so unbelievable to you, I don’t know what to tell you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You work for yourself, not employed by another company. So you are being disingenuous. I think many (most?) would argue that is basically the same as lying about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I’ve been a freelancer since I graduated from design school. I work for myself and choose my own software. If that’s so unbelievable to you, I don’t know what to tell you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You work for yourself, not employed by another company. So you are being disingenuous. I think many (most?) would argue that is basically the same as lying about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) You work for yourself, not employed by another company. So you are being disingenuous. I think many (most?) would argue that is basically the same as lying about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finley@lemmy.zip -2 points 3 months ago* So you are being disingenuous. No, you’re splitting hairs just so you can rationalize your petty anger against me over something that, at this point is just silly. I just can’t care anymore. I don’t use Microsoft products. And I really think both of us have wasted way too much time arguing about it. I think we can both agree to just drop it at this point. Shall we? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 child) I'm hoping you're still young so that you have more of a chance to mature. You're confusing necessity for stupidity and completely missing the fact that people need money to survive. My guess is that you grew up fairly wealthy so you never really had to consider that financial problems exist. You even said something correct below in that avoiding the use of Microsoft is a privilege but I'm also guessing you don't realize exactly what that means. It doesn't make you intellectually superior to anyone, just that you're lucky you're in that position. Similar to how having enough money to not worry about grocery store prices or having no chronic diseases are privileges. Part of being a good graphic designer is having enough empathy to connect with people so that your design goes through. Be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) I’m old enough to recognize arrogant bullshit when I see it. And your arrogant pretense betrays itself– – because either you had enough money to pay for that bullshit, or you’re just some jealous asshole who didn’t. otherwise, you wouldn’t be so angry, so bitter as to complain about it, about me here, decades later. zero cool I got by by being clever enough to get what I needed without having to pay for it. And I don’t care whether or not you believe me. Because it happened. And here I am. and that’s all the proof I need to show. and I understand why you may resent me for that, you have absolutely zero right to judge me for it. so fucking deal with it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finley@lemmy.zip 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) I’m old enough to recognize arrogant bullshit when I see it. And your arrogant pretense betrays itself– – because either you had enough money to pay for that bullshit, or you’re just some jealous asshole who didn’t. otherwise, you wouldn’t be so angry, so bitter as to complain about it, about me here, decades later. zero cool I got by by being clever enough to get what I needed without having to pay for it. And I don’t care whether or not you believe me. Because it happened. And here I am. and that’s all the proof I need to show. and I understand why you may resent me for that, you have absolutely zero right to judge me for it. so fucking deal with it permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mycodesucks@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago (6 children) Depends. I've happily turned down jobs that required me to use Windows and the amount of daily frustration I avoid as a result is worth every bit of the pickiness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child) This sounds like you are privilaged permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago It is a privilege to not have to use Microsoft products permalink fedilink source parent [+] Syndication@lemmy.today 5 points 3 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I mean couldn’t you just use a virtual machine on Linux or MacOS if you needed to use it for work? Most jobs require you to use a company-supplied machine. Where of course you can't swap operating systems. People just put up with it even when they'd like alternatives, because it's just one of the unpleasant things we do to stay employed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Syndication@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 3 months ago Everyone above this comment was expressing frustration with using MS products. This doesn't go away with a VM and personal privacy has no bearing. I have a job that is computer-adjacent, and still use MS products enough to swear at them every day I work. As a former programmer, im not sure I'd want to get back to doing that full-time if I had to use other MS products more. I hear the coding stack is still exceptional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago It's just not worth it to me to wait several minutes for things to properly boot, be nagged with updates and aggravating messages, and then have my system start thrashing halfway through my day. I don't care how good the pay is - I don't use tools that will aggravate me. They can hire someone else. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago Downvote all you like. I'm happy picking the jobs I want and don't have to maintain proficiency in a bad tool I hate using. You do you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 6 points 3 months ago* (1 child) This sounds like you are privilaged permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] finley@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago It is a privilege to not have to use Microsoft products permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finley@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago It is a privilege to not have to use Microsoft products permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Syndication@lemmy.today 5 points 3 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I mean couldn’t you just use a virtual machine on Linux or MacOS if you needed to use it for work? Most jobs require you to use a company-supplied machine. Where of course you can't swap operating systems. People just put up with it even when they'd like alternatives, because it's just one of the unpleasant things we do to stay employed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Syndication@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 3 months ago Everyone above this comment was expressing frustration with using MS products. This doesn't go away with a VM and personal privacy has no bearing. I have a job that is computer-adjacent, and still use MS products enough to swear at them every day I work. As a former programmer, im not sure I'd want to get back to doing that full-time if I had to use other MS products more. I hear the coding stack is still exceptional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago It's just not worth it to me to wait several minutes for things to properly boot, be nagged with updates and aggravating messages, and then have my system start thrashing halfway through my day. I don't care how good the pay is - I don't use tools that will aggravate me. They can hire someone else. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I mean couldn’t you just use a virtual machine on Linux or MacOS if you needed to use it for work? Most jobs require you to use a company-supplied machine. Where of course you can't swap operating systems. People just put up with it even when they'd like alternatives, because it's just one of the unpleasant things we do to stay employed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Syndication@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 3 months ago Everyone above this comment was expressing frustration with using MS products. This doesn't go away with a VM and personal privacy has no bearing. I have a job that is computer-adjacent, and still use MS products enough to swear at them every day I work. As a former programmer, im not sure I'd want to get back to doing that full-time if I had to use other MS products more. I hear the coding stack is still exceptional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago It's just not worth it to me to wait several minutes for things to properly boot, be nagged with updates and aggravating messages, and then have my system start thrashing halfway through my day. I don't care how good the pay is - I don't use tools that will aggravate me. They can hire someone else. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] Syndication@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 3 months ago Everyone above this comment was expressing frustration with using MS products. This doesn't go away with a VM and personal privacy has no bearing. I have a job that is computer-adjacent, and still use MS products enough to swear at them every day I work. As a former programmer, im not sure I'd want to get back to doing that full-time if I had to use other MS products more. I hear the coding stack is still exceptional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago It's just not worth it to me to wait several minutes for things to properly boot, be nagged with updates and aggravating messages, and then have my system start thrashing halfway through my day. I don't care how good the pay is - I don't use tools that will aggravate me. They can hire someone else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 point 3 months ago Everyone above this comment was expressing frustration with using MS products. This doesn't go away with a VM and personal privacy has no bearing. I have a job that is computer-adjacent, and still use MS products enough to swear at them every day I work. As a former programmer, im not sure I'd want to get back to doing that full-time if I had to use other MS products more. I hear the coding stack is still exceptional. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago It's just not worth it to me to wait several minutes for things to properly boot, be nagged with updates and aggravating messages, and then have my system start thrashing halfway through my day. I don't care how good the pay is - I don't use tools that will aggravate me. They can hire someone else. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago Downvote all you like. I'm happy picking the jobs I want and don't have to maintain proficiency in a bad tool I hate using. You do you. permalink fedilink source parent