Very interesting. If only there were more recent scientific studies that weren't the fever dreams of a psychotic pseudoscientific anti-evolution tankie from the soviet era.

Oh, would you look at this. There is science after the soviet union, after all. It's almost like time has passed and we have more complex and nuance understanding of the world since the fucking 50's.

Overall, evidence consistently demonstrates that unconditional cash in low- and middle-income countries leads to a measurable decrease in poverty.

There is good evidence to demonstrate that an injection of cash increases household expenditures. Results are positive for food expenditure in all country contexts. and the purchase and ownership of assets such as livestock in low-and middle-income countries.

The evidence from diverse interventions in low-, middle-, and high-income contexts indicates minimal impact on aggregate measures of labor market participation, with some studies reporting an increase in work participation. When reductions do occur, time is channeled into other valued activities such as caregiving.

When people can eat, they can work. Wow!

Clear and significant impacts are well-documented for educational outcomes that would be expected in the short term, such as school enrollment and attendance.

There is consistent evidence across contexts for improvements to health status and to the myriad behavioral and social factors that are linked to leading causes of premature ill-health, disability, and death.

It's almost like people who don't have to scramble for survival can actually become better persons and be an overall positive force in society. Weird what this science stuff has to say when we drop the ideological blinds.

Anyways, Lysenko makes for a pretty straw man. But it has no bearing on this discussion.

Agreed, the whole reason I started out saying "The people who bitch communism or capitalism" is because it goes for any ideology.

For decades there's been a push in the US to make people feel like any political ideology other than the one we exist under is evil, especially the dreaded "socialism" and "communism." They point out many people have died living under those systems and many of those governments have failed and try to make us feel like those systems are destined to fail and not worth considering.

But for the most part it seems that the examples they like to use most aren't examples of anything going wrong due to the ideologies, but entirely because people corrupted and warped and abused them for their own benefit.

It's the difference between economic theory/ideology and political reality. It wasn't the ideology of "communism" or "socialism" that led to death and downfall, it was the political reality than instead of common ownership among all members of society, those at the top and in control of those nations lived as those at the top of our own do. There was never actually common ownership in reality, only on paper.

If you give someone control of anything with the goal of them managing distribution of it fairly among everyone as needed, that gives them loads of ways to corrupt it for personal gain. Adding in more people and overseers doesn't help, because loads of humans are super easy to corrupt.

Economic theories and ideologies have never been the problem. The problem is always the political reality that loads of humans are kind of shit, and the more power and control over anything any human or group of humans has the more likely they become to use that for personal gain.

Lol

Ahh, words are tough for you. If you can't understand one simple English sentence than it makes sense for you to not bother reading lots of words.

In the sentence "I’m sorry that someone taking the time to type out a thoughtful response is such a bother for you" the word "bother" is being used as a noun. The meaning of the sentence was that you found my long comment to be a thing that would require effort or work to read. It was a sarcastic fake apology making fun of you for being on a mainly text based social discussion platform and considering just a few paragraphs of text something that would take you too much effort for you to bother to actually read them.

For it to mean you were bothered as in annoyed, as you thought, we would be using "bother" as a verb.

Maybe take some classes? Learning is good, yo. Reading is fundamental.