▲ 1723 ▼ New EU law requires devices to be repairable - Every phone, television or washing machine you buy in Europe must be easier to repair starting tomorrow. That’s when the European Right to Repair Act takes effect (www.nporadio1.nl) submitted 3 months ago by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 252 comments fedilink hide all child comments The products covered by the obligation to repair currently include: washing machines and washer-dryers dishwashers refrigerators electronic displays welding equipment servers and data storage products mobile phones, cordless phones and tablets tumble dryers e-bikes and e-scooters batteries (from 18 February 2027) local space heaters
[+] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth -8 points 3 months ago (16 children) Let me guess, iPhone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] lemmygarden@lemmy.today 8 points 3 months ago (4 children) Androids permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 5 points 3 months ago (3 children) Huh...I'm guessing banking apps? Those are the only ones that have ever given me problems on old Android devices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Been starting to see more randomly picky apps. Based on vintage and rooted device. Uninstalled the FedEx app, since every time I tapped on a tracking number, it would divert to the app which would promptly shame me for having a rooted device and refuse to run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmygarden@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago yes permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children) Source? As far as I know, nearly all flagship phones, Apple or otherwise, get about 7 years of update support (except Pixel phones with GrapheneOS which get 14 ignore; I remembered this incorrectly). The difference is, even my old phone running Android 8 (a 9yo OS) can still browse the web, run all apps, and perform fine as a phone. An even older phone running Android 4.4 can still run 3rd party apps. iPhones seem to stop working about a year after they stop receiving updates, and they don't support sideloading (also know as running the software you want to run on the device you own). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 13 points 3 months ago The oldest iPhone that can run the latest iOS is the 11 from 2019. Apple is still providing security fixes all the way back to iOS 15, which goes back to the 6s released in 2015. So, somewhere between 7 and 11 years for Apple depending on what you are counting as support. As a personal experience, my partners iPad from 2017 still runs fine, though it is stuck on iOS 16 and only gets security updates. permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) Are you sure about 14 years of support? I think Graphene basically supports things as long as Google does, due to reliance on their source code releases. Double that would be impressive. https://grapheneos.org/faq permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago Ah thanks, my bad; I must have remembered incorrectly. I've updated my original comment permalink fedilink source parent [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (3 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1upwfda/lets_be_real_no_company_beats_apple_in_terms_of/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Oh trust me, I'm no fan of Samsung, but I tend to value control of my devices over...whatever it is Apple does. I had an iPhone until I discovered replacing the home button myself artificially bricked the device due to DRM forcing customers to go to an Apple store for repairs. Never again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Control over your devices is on the way out regardless of the major manufacturer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 1 point 2 months ago Unfortunately, this is very true. For what it's worth, I still try to maintain as much control as possible by using OSes like Graphene or Linux. I also have just started refusing to pay for things I can't own. That includes gaming consoles, cloud services, smart home devices, Samsung/Apple phones, leased cars, etc. If Google keeps killing and locking down AOSP, it may soon include all Android phones too. I'm hoping we can get some regulations pushed through before that point. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago Long, but not longest. Fairphone is longer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmygarden@lemmy.today 8 points 3 months ago (4 children) Androids permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 5 points 3 months ago (3 children) Huh...I'm guessing banking apps? Those are the only ones that have ever given me problems on old Android devices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Been starting to see more randomly picky apps. Based on vintage and rooted device. Uninstalled the FedEx app, since every time I tapped on a tracking number, it would divert to the app which would promptly shame me for having a rooted device and refuse to run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmygarden@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago yes permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 5 points 3 months ago (3 children) Huh...I'm guessing banking apps? Those are the only ones that have ever given me problems on old Android devices permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Been starting to see more randomly picky apps. Based on vintage and rooted device. Uninstalled the FedEx app, since every time I tapped on a tracking number, it would divert to the app which would promptly shame me for having a rooted device and refuse to run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lemmygarden@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago yes permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago Been starting to see more randomly picky apps. Based on vintage and rooted device. Uninstalled the FedEx app, since every time I tapped on a tracking number, it would divert to the app which would promptly shame me for having a rooted device and refuse to run. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children) Source? As far as I know, nearly all flagship phones, Apple or otherwise, get about 7 years of update support (except Pixel phones with GrapheneOS which get 14 ignore; I remembered this incorrectly). The difference is, even my old phone running Android 8 (a 9yo OS) can still browse the web, run all apps, and perform fine as a phone. An even older phone running Android 4.4 can still run 3rd party apps. iPhones seem to stop working about a year after they stop receiving updates, and they don't support sideloading (also know as running the software you want to run on the device you own). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 13 points 3 months ago The oldest iPhone that can run the latest iOS is the 11 from 2019. Apple is still providing security fixes all the way back to iOS 15, which goes back to the 6s released in 2015. So, somewhere between 7 and 11 years for Apple depending on what you are counting as support. As a personal experience, my partners iPad from 2017 still runs fine, though it is stuck on iOS 16 and only gets security updates. permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) Are you sure about 14 years of support? I think Graphene basically supports things as long as Google does, due to reliance on their source code releases. Double that would be impressive. https://grapheneos.org/faq permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago Ah thanks, my bad; I must have remembered incorrectly. I've updated my original comment permalink fedilink source parent [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (3 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1upwfda/lets_be_real_no_company_beats_apple_in_terms_of/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Oh trust me, I'm no fan of Samsung, but I tend to value control of my devices over...whatever it is Apple does. I had an iPhone until I discovered replacing the home button myself artificially bricked the device due to DRM forcing customers to go to an Apple store for repairs. Never again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Control over your devices is on the way out regardless of the major manufacturer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 1 point 2 months ago Unfortunately, this is very true. For what it's worth, I still try to maintain as much control as possible by using OSes like Graphene or Linux. I also have just started refusing to pay for things I can't own. That includes gaming consoles, cloud services, smart home devices, Samsung/Apple phones, leased cars, etc. If Google keeps killing and locking down AOSP, it may soon include all Android phones too. I'm hoping we can get some regulations pushed through before that point. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago Long, but not longest. Fairphone is longer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children) Source? As far as I know, nearly all flagship phones, Apple or otherwise, get about 7 years of update support (except Pixel phones with GrapheneOS which get 14 ignore; I remembered this incorrectly). The difference is, even my old phone running Android 8 (a 9yo OS) can still browse the web, run all apps, and perform fine as a phone. An even older phone running Android 4.4 can still run 3rd party apps. iPhones seem to stop working about a year after they stop receiving updates, and they don't support sideloading (also know as running the software you want to run on the device you own). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 13 points 3 months ago The oldest iPhone that can run the latest iOS is the 11 from 2019. Apple is still providing security fixes all the way back to iOS 15, which goes back to the 6s released in 2015. So, somewhere between 7 and 11 years for Apple depending on what you are counting as support. As a personal experience, my partners iPad from 2017 still runs fine, though it is stuck on iOS 16 and only gets security updates. permalink fedilink source parent [–] XLE@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) Are you sure about 14 years of support? I think Graphene basically supports things as long as Google does, due to reliance on their source code releases. Double that would be impressive. https://grapheneos.org/faq permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago Ah thanks, my bad; I must have remembered incorrectly. I've updated my original comment permalink fedilink source parent [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (3 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1upwfda/lets_be_real_no_company_beats_apple_in_terms_of/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Oh trust me, I'm no fan of Samsung, but I tend to value control of my devices over...whatever it is Apple does. I had an iPhone until I discovered replacing the home button myself artificially bricked the device due to DRM forcing customers to go to an Apple store for repairs. Never again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Control over your devices is on the way out regardless of the major manufacturer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 1 point 2 months ago Unfortunately, this is very true. For what it's worth, I still try to maintain as much control as possible by using OSes like Graphene or Linux. I also have just started refusing to pay for things I can't own. That includes gaming consoles, cloud services, smart home devices, Samsung/Apple phones, leased cars, etc. If Google keeps killing and locking down AOSP, it may soon include all Android phones too. I'm hoping we can get some regulations pushed through before that point. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 13 points 3 months ago The oldest iPhone that can run the latest iOS is the 11 from 2019. Apple is still providing security fixes all the way back to iOS 15, which goes back to the 6s released in 2015. So, somewhere between 7 and 11 years for Apple depending on what you are counting as support. As a personal experience, my partners iPad from 2017 still runs fine, though it is stuck on iOS 16 and only gets security updates. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] XLE@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) Are you sure about 14 years of support? I think Graphene basically supports things as long as Google does, due to reliance on their source code releases. Double that would be impressive. https://grapheneos.org/faq permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago Ah thanks, my bad; I must have remembered incorrectly. I've updated my original comment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago Ah thanks, my bad; I must have remembered incorrectly. I've updated my original comment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (3 children) https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/1upwfda/lets_be_real_no_company_beats_apple_in_terms_of/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Oh trust me, I'm no fan of Samsung, but I tend to value control of my devices over...whatever it is Apple does. I had an iPhone until I discovered replacing the home button myself artificially bricked the device due to DRM forcing customers to go to an Apple store for repairs. Never again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Control over your devices is on the way out regardless of the major manufacturer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 1 point 2 months ago Unfortunately, this is very true. For what it's worth, I still try to maintain as much control as possible by using OSes like Graphene or Linux. I also have just started refusing to pay for things I can't own. That includes gaming consoles, cloud services, smart home devices, Samsung/Apple phones, leased cars, etc. If Google keeps killing and locking down AOSP, it may soon include all Android phones too. I'm hoping we can get some regulations pushed through before that point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) Oh trust me, I'm no fan of Samsung, but I tend to value control of my devices over...whatever it is Apple does. I had an iPhone until I discovered replacing the home button myself artificially bricked the device due to DRM forcing customers to go to an Apple store for repairs. Never again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Control over your devices is on the way out regardless of the major manufacturer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 1 point 2 months ago Unfortunately, this is very true. For what it's worth, I still try to maintain as much control as possible by using OSes like Graphene or Linux. I also have just started refusing to pay for things I can't own. That includes gaming consoles, cloud services, smart home devices, Samsung/Apple phones, leased cars, etc. If Google keeps killing and locking down AOSP, it may soon include all Android phones too. I'm hoping we can get some regulations pushed through before that point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OS2Warp@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Control over your devices is on the way out regardless of the major manufacturer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 1 point 2 months ago Unfortunately, this is very true. For what it's worth, I still try to maintain as much control as possible by using OSes like Graphene or Linux. I also have just started refusing to pay for things I can't own. That includes gaming consoles, cloud services, smart home devices, Samsung/Apple phones, leased cars, etc. If Google keeps killing and locking down AOSP, it may soon include all Android phones too. I'm hoping we can get some regulations pushed through before that point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 1 point 2 months ago Unfortunately, this is very true. For what it's worth, I still try to maintain as much control as possible by using OSes like Graphene or Linux. I also have just started refusing to pay for things I can't own. That includes gaming consoles, cloud services, smart home devices, Samsung/Apple phones, leased cars, etc. If Google keeps killing and locking down AOSP, it may soon include all Android phones too. I'm hoping we can get some regulations pushed through before that point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago Long, but not longest. Fairphone is longer. permalink fedilink source parent