▲ 63 ▼ New AI attack can reconstruct typed text from keyboard sounds (cyberinsider.com) submitted 3 months ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world 31 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 77 points 3 months ago (13 children) This doesn't need AI, it has been done for a long time permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Avicenna@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) yes but...money please? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 3 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago Yeah, but investora dont care unleas it has the acronym attanched. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago* (5 children) I don't know how the existing solutions work, but the article mentions it being possible without training on the specific keyboard first and with 99% accuracy. And that would be frightening, especially combined with that sentence: The researchers describe three realistic attack scenarios, where an attacker could: ... Recover keystroke sounds transmitted as background noise during online meetings How would I write shit about the idiots presenting in the meeting without them knowing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (4 children) Luckily software like Teams has noise cancellation, so keyboard sounds generally get filtered out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Yes, but unluckyly, I have to use teams 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The researchers further tested the attack against audio transmitted over Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, and Zoom. With noise suppression disabled, keystroke sounds carried through meeting audio were often sufficient to reconstruct typed text with high accuracy after a few hundred keystrokes, although results varied depending on the conferencing platform and laptop model. The paper notes that some users may still be exposed because advanced noise cancellation features are not always available or enabled. Not so fast... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) with noise suppression disabled permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago Good spot. I missed that permalink fedilink source parent [–] Miller@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago But this is AI now not any other sort of machine analysis so it's more headliney. permalink fedilink source parent [–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) And now it's easier and more accessible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uienia@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't really get these "this has always been possible" comments whenever it is about AI. Yes you could do this before, yes you could manipulate or even completely and convincingly make up photos before AI. The point is that now is that it actually took some time, skill and effort to do that before, but now this has basically been made easily available to everyone, taking no effort or time. So that now any malicious moron out there who wants to do something destructive and evil are actually capable of doing it on the spur of the moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today -4 points 3 months ago Nono no no no! AI is dumb and ineffective 🙄 This place is just progressive Reddit 2.0. It's a time waster. Expecting and nuance or useful conversation around anything that doesn't fit the communities world view will result in the same shit as Reddit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) yes but...money please? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 3 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago Yeah, but investora dont care unleas it has the acronym attanched. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago* (5 children) I don't know how the existing solutions work, but the article mentions it being possible without training on the specific keyboard first and with 99% accuracy. And that would be frightening, especially combined with that sentence: The researchers describe three realistic attack scenarios, where an attacker could: ... Recover keystroke sounds transmitted as background noise during online meetings How would I write shit about the idiots presenting in the meeting without them knowing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (4 children) Luckily software like Teams has noise cancellation, so keyboard sounds generally get filtered out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Yes, but unluckyly, I have to use teams 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The researchers further tested the attack against audio transmitted over Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, and Zoom. With noise suppression disabled, keystroke sounds carried through meeting audio were often sufficient to reconstruct typed text with high accuracy after a few hundred keystrokes, although results varied depending on the conferencing platform and laptop model. The paper notes that some users may still be exposed because advanced noise cancellation features are not always available or enabled. Not so fast... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) with noise suppression disabled permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago Good spot. I missed that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (4 children) Luckily software like Teams has noise cancellation, so keyboard sounds generally get filtered out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Yes, but unluckyly, I have to use teams 😭 permalink fedilink source parent [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The researchers further tested the attack against audio transmitted over Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, and Zoom. With noise suppression disabled, keystroke sounds carried through meeting audio were often sufficient to reconstruct typed text with high accuracy after a few hundred keystrokes, although results varied depending on the conferencing platform and laptop model. The paper notes that some users may still be exposed because advanced noise cancellation features are not always available or enabled. Not so fast... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) with noise suppression disabled permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago Good spot. I missed that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 8 points 3 months ago Yes, but unluckyly, I have to use teams 😭 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago (2 children) The researchers further tested the attack against audio transmitted over Google Meet, Microsoft Teams, and Zoom. With noise suppression disabled, keystroke sounds carried through meeting audio were often sufficient to reconstruct typed text with high accuracy after a few hundred keystrokes, although results varied depending on the conferencing platform and laptop model. The paper notes that some users may still be exposed because advanced noise cancellation features are not always available or enabled. Not so fast... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) with noise suppression disabled permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago Good spot. I missed that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) with noise suppression disabled permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago Good spot. I missed that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wibble@reddthat.com 1 point 3 months ago Good spot. I missed that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Miller@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago But this is AI now not any other sort of machine analysis so it's more headliney. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) And now it's easier and more accessible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uienia@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't really get these "this has always been possible" comments whenever it is about AI. Yes you could do this before, yes you could manipulate or even completely and convincingly make up photos before AI. The point is that now is that it actually took some time, skill and effort to do that before, but now this has basically been made easily available to everyone, taking no effort or time. So that now any malicious moron out there who wants to do something destructive and evil are actually capable of doing it on the spur of the moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today -4 points 3 months ago Nono no no no! AI is dumb and ineffective 🙄 This place is just progressive Reddit 2.0. It's a time waster. Expecting and nuance or useful conversation around anything that doesn't fit the communities world view will result in the same shit as Reddit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uienia@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't really get these "this has always been possible" comments whenever it is about AI. Yes you could do this before, yes you could manipulate or even completely and convincingly make up photos before AI. The point is that now is that it actually took some time, skill and effort to do that before, but now this has basically been made easily available to everyone, taking no effort or time. So that now any malicious moron out there who wants to do something destructive and evil are actually capable of doing it on the spur of the moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today -4 points 3 months ago Nono no no no! AI is dumb and ineffective 🙄 This place is just progressive Reddit 2.0. It's a time waster. Expecting and nuance or useful conversation around anything that doesn't fit the communities world view will result in the same shit as Reddit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] makeshift0546@lemmy.today -4 points 3 months ago Nono no no no! AI is dumb and ineffective 🙄 This place is just progressive Reddit 2.0. It's a time waster. Expecting and nuance or useful conversation around anything that doesn't fit the communities world view will result in the same shit as Reddit. permalink fedilink source parent