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The verdict is in: Canadians hate America thanks to Trump (www.independent.co.uk)
submitted 3 months ago by to c/FuckTheUSA@lemmy.ca
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[+] -31 points 3 months ago (26 children)

To be fair, some didn't realize what was actually going to happen and were naive and regret what they'd done.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    That excuse might have worked in the first term. But after Jan 6, there was no doubt about what Trump is. Americans voted for him anyway.

    This is just who Americans are. There is no reason to believe someone like Trump (or worse) won't get into power in the future.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    This is the most connected generation in human history. There was prior art about the things he did, and record about what he said hed do in a second term. But oh, a war was happening that no one cared about before, and seems no one cares about anymore, now that gas prices are so high.

    Next excuse please.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think part of the problem is that Trump wasn't prosecuted for January 6th. Some people won't believe it happened, or won't believe it was a serious issue, unless it is prosecuted. Right now, I think my grandmother doesn't believe Trump is as bad as I say he is because she has enough faith in legal systems that she believes something would be being done about it if he were actually committing such serious crimes. To be clear, my grandmother recognizes Trump is bad but not as bad as he really is.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    That's part of the problem sure. But when seeing what went down on Jan 6 and you're reaction is "this is fine", there's something deeper going on. The lack of prosecution shouldn't make people think "well maybe he didn't do anything wrong" it should make people think "why the hell isn't he in prison already?"

    A lot of people have been made to be paranoid of "them". Who is "them"? it's very arbitrary, could be black people, trans people, gays, Jews, Asians, Hispanic people, anyone can be considerd "them". You should be cautious of "them". "They" are probably up to all kinds of nefarious things. Things aren't as good as they could be because of "them".

    Trump represents a deep seated paranoia of the other. Even if they understand that Trump is a terrible person, they feel that he (or someone like him) is necessary to protect us all from "them".

    This feeling exists in every society, but it's particularly malignant in the US. This isn't going to be over when Trump kicks the bucket.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    As soon as Trump voters were fine with the "grab them by the pussy"-tape, they showed that they were indeed all evil assholes. And that was before he was elected in 2016.

    There is no excuse.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    For many years of my life I buried my head in the sand on politics. Ignorance is bliss, etc. Not everyone is paying attention, maybe heard something from a passerby or a friend, or listened to fox news while at their dentist appointment, etc.

    I don't think people give enough thought as to other peoples lifestyles. Then you have the base that was just fed up with democrats and wanted change.

    Woot to their 2 party system, I guess.

    My point is, not everyone pays as close attention as they should or are educated enough to vote, and that's an issue.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Well, they had a trial run. Not only that they got plenty of warning from those outside.

    I don’t know how many passes we have to give the American population ay. No one else gets the same grace.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    That's true, certainly.

    But just for the sake of an accurate recording of history:

    • His second term is MARKEDLY different from his first in terms of scale. Trumps "big boy" economic policy dick swinging was reformulating NAFTA... but it was still an agreement within the context of international norms. Term two? Tariffs, legal and otherwise. His bullying was constrained to putting on a show about building a well. Now he's invaded 2 countries in a year, openly threatens NATO allies. The blockade of Cuba. Paramilitary via ICE. DOGE. Open gifts. Selling pardons. The themes are similar, but the scale is orders of magnitude different.

    -Americans did reject him after his first term.

    Now, none of this is an excuse. He was bad enough term 1 to be incomprehensible as someone to ever be elected again. And project 2025 was telegraphed. There is no excuse. But his first term and his second term are significantly different in scale, not even really comparable.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    They might be, but there was still plenty enough warning.

    This is across the board too, the supposed progressive party saw what was happening as well as the people.

    Honestly, that it was somewhat different is an afterthought and we knew beforehand it would be.

    They even told everyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying. Project 2025 was pretty clearly the template for his next term. It was all in the open. There is no excuse.

    But for anyone not paying any attention and perfectly ignorant of anything beyond thier lived experience of his first term (gonna say that's a lot of people, honestly): I don't think this is what they expected.

    I think some of those people who weren't paying attention and were going off stale memories of his first term... they're not happy. But... I think other people in that group are actually thrilled. So, as a whole, still kinda balances out.

    So, no justifications or excuses... but I do think some people got something different from what they expected.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    TWICE??

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Our ability to forgive their ignorance should be measured. We should do our best to help them learn, certainly, but they need to understand the gravity of their choices. Anger is part of that

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think a lot of them have learned. I've seen so many clips of people coming out saying it was the worst decision they ever made. Sadly, that's a handful I'm sure.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    This is why the Untied States should allow for early elections if the president fucks up badly enough. In Canada, sometimes elections are called early if enough people are unhappy with the government

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    To be fair, anyone with half a brain could see this coming in 2015.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    This is spot on

    That was when we were told to butt out and mind our own business, it was their election not ours and they had the right not to vote if they chose that

    Which is why I have issues with them now expecting asylum (from what, he was elected) and expecting allied nations to intervene with sanctioning.

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