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I Don’t Think Trump’s Remaining Supporters Realize How Much They Are Despised By Non-MAGA Voters - Above the Law (abovethelaw.com)
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Early last week, I was at the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library for its first weekend. At the library itself, despite President Donald Trump inserting himself incongruously into the opening ceremonies, I did not see a single person sporting a Trump-branded clothing item.

The town of Medora, North Dakota, itself was, however, a different story. It wasn’t overwhelming. But for someone who lives in an urban center of a blue state, where even in the ruby red rural areas most people have become sufficiently shamed to shut up about their MAGA tendencies, a single errant MAGA cap is a rarity.

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[–] 23 points 3 months ago* (50 children)

Not sure how much Americans are aware they are despised as a collective about electing this twice, doing fuckall about it, blaming everything and everyone else and now pushing it onto the rest of us.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    Doing fuck all about it? The people doing something about it you won't hear about.

    You won't hear about any local resistance in another country. You won't hear about any local organization in another country. Hell even if someone was planning another assassination attempt, you wouldn't be hearing about it unless they were really stupid.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    The thing that has been most shocking to me about this entire thing is how much foreigners have sided with Trump over the American people. Blaming Americans for Trump completely, even while knowing he is a dictator who ignores the wishes of his own people, and then inviting Trump to their countries to shake hands and make deals. Unbelievable.

    I've seen foreign nationals say that we "deserve" to be raided by ICE for "voting for" Trump... the dictator who ignores the popular vote. They're on Trump's side, they want the same things he wants, they just want to feel morally superior.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    the people doing something about it you won’t hear about

    We’ll hear about it if it’s a complete peaceful shutdown. You’re wrong about protests too, we see news on those quite often.

    you won’t hear…

    Yeah we do, we do all the time. They actually do it properly though.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Hey, guess what, people have been trying to organize a peaceful shut down but that's hard to do for a country about the size of a continent, and when people are already working three jobs to have enough money to survive and worried they will be homeless if they take a day off.

    And no, sorry, you don't hear about everything people are doing, because a lot of those changes happen locally. You hear about the new mayor of New York, but you don't hear about a new progressive DEI program in a smaller town in Alabama. You don't hear about a local neighborhood ice watch in Minnesota. You don't hear about a petition going around in Ohio to reform voting on a local level.

    You don't hear about people starting phone trees, ride shares, food banks. Hell even people in the area might not know about them.

    So sorry that what people are doing isn't sensationalist enough to make international headlines, but it's the sand in the gears and the level people on the ground level can actually do.

    Also if you think your country's media doesn't have bias, then you're ripe for indoctrination and propaganda.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (12 children)

    You're a total moron and there is no point explaining anything to you or arguing with you, but I'm confident that you'd tell victims of the Holocaust that they deserved it, because that's pretty much what you're doing now. Except unlike in Germany, the majority of the country's population is on the list to die, rather than a relatively small group of people. The majority of Americans share characteristics that the regime wants to eliminate, and the number of hated traits are numerous, not tied only to race or religion.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    You’re a total moron

    It’s okay, I understand. You’re lashing out.

    Im confident you’d tell…

    And you’re calling me a moron.

    If you get another fair chance, just get out and vote, in both the primary and the main election. Beyond that I don’t care and I don’t care what you think of me, just get out and do it regardless who the candidate ends up being, and get your friends and family to do the same. Help anyone who can’t.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Do you genuinely believe "get out and vote" is a viable solution in the US, or is this ragebait?

    Again, this is really really for real fascism, not like the kind on TV or in fiction. This is real life.

    Do you know what the Electoral College is and why it exists?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Do you genuinely believe

    Yes. The evidence suggests it’s true. So, yes.

    Do you know…

    Yes, and it didn’t stop Biden or Clinton being elected when they got enough votes did it? Yes I know what it is and I know it’s a problem. Unfortunately for the w3 cAnTd0 aNaThAng argument, it has put Democrats in as well.

    Honestly, only Americans get away with this ay…continuing to make disproven arguments valid. Anyone else tried this, it’d be out of line.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    .... no they were not elected because of votes. I'm sure that the media made a big deal about the votes. It doesn't actually matter, they could have just picked someone else. Democrats are the same as Republicans in terms of impact on real people. The only difference is the PR. Obama did the whole prison camp for immigrants thing too.

    w3 cAnTd0 aNaThAng

    I didn't say we can't do anything.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Well, yeah you are saying you can’t do anything.

    Seriously if Americans were as committed to the electoral process as they are finding excuses for the government they elected they’d have the most progressive government in the world. Being tribal about your politics isn’t committing to the electoral process either.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I didn't say we can't do anything, I said we can't do it alone.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (5 children)

    You’re gonna have to.

    Not only is it not our responsibility, we can’t help. Believe me, us sanctioning the US will only turn your government against us. All we can do is what we are…ride it out, be as friendly as we can (the reason Australia goes above and beyond is because of who we are and a little debt from WW2 but the citizenry’s patience is being tested) and try not to poke the bear too much.

    But it’s your job and your responsibility, not ours. We were told to mind our own business for years when we warned US citizens this was coming during the Obama tenure, when Ryan and Gingrich started their obstructionist crap.

    The sooner you all get together on a peaceful shutdown the better off you’ll be.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I hate to break it to you but American fascism will probably turn against you regardless, and cannot be appeased. You won't be saved by refusing to side with American citizens. Appeasement will not win you safety.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    What?

    Yeah, we know, unless their citizens stop it.

    Mam, your argument is dogshit. Just let it be. Take the L.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, that's why you've been so disrespectful and refuse to follow up on what I'm saying to you. You think I'm a woman.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    People are getting in ICE's face and filming their crimes at risk to ther lives for people they've never met.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Good. They need to.

    Peaceful shutdown from at least 60% of the population in the metro areas would be better.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    When stuff like this happens, which it occasionally does, you're not going to know about it, because you do not live here. Our press is not going to report it, because we live under real fascism, not pretend fascism from TV.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    Again, not exactly true. I’ve seen some good protests. I saw ICE shoot people.

    So someone’s producing news. Not that it matters, we can’t change it, only US citizens can.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (12 children)

    Well, no, actually, we probably can't. Hitler fell because of the Allied Forces, not because Jews and Poles banded together to beat him up.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    The thing with Hitler is that there’s a template to learn from.

    Hitler should have been dealt with a lot earlier than what he was. Hitler also governed a very different population and situation at the time. America isn’t where it is because it was held hostage by taxing war agreements and governed by oppressive outside influence…it’s a bunch of over indulgent and privileged arseholes being exploited.

    The Germans didn’t know what was coming really. American do, and not only that they gave it a trial run.

    The only similarities are the political ideology, not the countries themselves. Americans can still stop this if they want.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (10 children)

    Trump won because the Electoral College thought a "strong Republican President" was "what the country needed." There is absolutely nothing I or anyone in my social class could have done to influence this decision.

    The difference between the Third Reich and America is that Germans had some small influence over who they elected in the form of votes that were actually counted.

    No, Americans in general cannot decide who the president is. Our presidential elections are theater and have been since slavery was abolished.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (9 children)

    So if that’s the case, how did Biden manage to win? Did the Republicans let him?

    Did they let Clinton win?

    Nope, if enough turn out to vote, the US will get the president they want.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Biden won because the electoral college wanted him to win. He belongs to the same social class as Trump.

    Yes, they let Clinton win.

    No, it doesn't matter who we vote for. The only options are their people, and then they get to disregard which of their people that we pick if they want to.

    "Voting won't help" isn't the same thing as giving up, but it is an acknowledgment of our reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah honestly, this is just sad to watch. They won because they were elected. Like Mamdani.

    This is just snivelling stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Mamdani wasn't running for president. You don't know how our government works.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Mamdani proves that voting works.

    You know damn well I’m aware that he’s not a federal rep and you’re also aware of why I’m using him as an example. Stop trying to fudge the conversation because your argument is weak.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Voting for mayor or for local elections is a completely different process as opposed to voting for president. If you're voting for a mayoral or local election, your vote is directly counted (allegedly). That isn't the case for presidential elections.

    No, I have no idea why you're using Mamdani as an example. You clearly know less about how our government works than the average American. Please do some googling before returning to this conversation, I will not reply until you know what I'm talking about and can respond to what I'm actually saying to you.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    It’s the same principle which still ends the same way.

    allegedly

    So you don’t know what you’re talking about?

    I have no idea

    I can do a crayon picture if you like…he won the primary based on getting more votes and did the same to win his election.

    Piss around with semantics all you want, the principle is the same and so is the process pretty much.

    You don’t want him used as an example because he disproves your point. That he’s not a federal rep makes no difference to that point, because it works for them too. As Biden proved.

    I couldn’t give a fuck if you don’t reply. Good, fuck off. One less Seppo bothering my day.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    You're gonna keep inviting Trump into your country, he's gonna keep shaking hands with your leaders, and even if he kills all of us American citizens all at once in a state-sponsored massacre and you hear about it on the news, your country will not impose sanctions, and you'll see your leader shaking hands with him on television the following month.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

    Yep, here we go, my country’s equally complicit. I knew this one would come up, too.

    Just because we signed a treaty and have to be diplomatic to our allies doesn’t put us in any way at fault here, and it’s not our job to fix your problem. Especially after you spent years telling us to mind our own business.

    Fuck you lot are pathetic. Blame every thing else except themselves…now we are to blame because we won’t sanction your government

    Stop expecting others to do your job.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    So when your country's government is complicit, it's not your or the citizens' fault, but when it is someone else's country every citizen is complicit and deserves it.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Trump is an American problem, brought to America by Americans lack of voting.

    Nowhere, Australia is not complicit in electing Trump and it isn’t our job to help remove him. Nor is it any other countries job. It’s yours.

    Nowhere in that did our government have a hand. Murdoch certainly did, but he’s now an American citizen and went there for a reason.

    We aren’t complicit in electing Trump. Yes, our leaders are still going to be diplomatic to an ally. Like every other country.

    Only an American, with their extreme lack of responsibility, could hold other countries complicit in their electing Trump.

    The hide of you people man. Seriously.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

    The balls to say one of the guys who helped make this situation happen then to say that it's doesn't count. If only you and your government could use those balls to do more than be a diplomatic doormat.

    The wealthy elite taking over everything, abusing people, exploiting workers and the planet, these are global problems, not just American ones. A lot of the rich people live and operate outside of the US but it's folly to think their influence is only in the US.

    You've bought things from American companies, consumed American media, and poured your own money into their pockets.

    Trump is the result of all of this. It's the rich trying to take over our country in earnest, out in front instead of in back rooms.

    And I can guarantee you, personally, played a small part in enabling it.

    I also know that this conservative wave, because of Trump, has been hitting Europe and Australia. So pretending it's not your problem is also folly.

    No one is asking you to fix this for us. People are doing what they can with this takeover to stop it.

    But don't pretend you're not in a global market and that the US isn't tied in with Australia, and don't pretend you've not given money to the people backing Trump in your own way.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (6 children)

    who helped

    He went there because the ground was fertile, as Musk and Ham did. The sit was there to begin, they just exploited it. They’re Americans through and through.

    global problems

    This one, electing Trump, then its effects across the world, are American.

    you’ve bought things…

    Yes, so what? That’s international trade.

    Trump is the result of all this

    So blaming everything else again. Of course.

    I can guarantee

    No I didn’t, stop spreading your problem on to others.

    the conservative wave, because of Trump

    Yeah and we didn’t ask for it. Americans brought it to us. We’ve always had conservatives and wingnuts but not this shit. Worse, we never got a say in that, you just elected it then decided we get it too.

    No one is asking you to fix this for us

    Yeah, they are. I had someone, might have even been you, yesterday tell me it’s on our PM and others to sanction the US. I constantly see Americans saying that other nations need to step in, do something. Americans everywhere expecting the welcome mat rolled out for running from a vote result. Fuckin oath they’re looking to distribute the responsibility out to others.

    but don’t pretend

    I’m not ptendng anything, I’m telling you the US caused it by not turning out to vote and that this is a US responsibility to fix. As for money I give that might be out of my control once it’s gone, there isn’t a lot in this globalised world I can do about that.Mor is there a lot I can do to avoid American market economy influence. Which could have helped enable a decent president if you wankers got out and voted.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    And the people who did go out and vote, who are trying to fix it, can fuck themselves too then, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    No, they can now start to prepare for a national shutdown and to vote again if they get a chance. Perhaps organise more to vote.

    It’s sad for them, but the position is the same…it’s a collective responsibility.

    Whatever, it’s theirs to sort out, not ours. We heard for years how this would never happen because of a few reasons including a second amendment we were repeatedly reminded of, that we knew was piss and wind.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    I still don't know where you're seeing anyone saying this isn't American's responsibility to fix, much less anyone saying any country is at fault except maybe Russia.

    Believe me, no American thinks Australia is at fault for Trump and definitely don't think you've got the ability to do anything like that.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I had someone two days ago somewhere around here blame our PM for not sanctioning the US. Saw that line quite often in reddit, particularly the politics sub, the StopProject2025 sub had a few of them as well. Same deal; it was our responsibility now to sanction or cut ties with the US because…they held a democratic election and the one they didn’t want was voted in. We tried that explanation as well. That’s just one place, I saw the same things on a couple of the others.

    Another beauty I saw on the IWantOut etc subs were Americans urging our countries to accept asylum based on…yeah, what? It was a democratic election.

    Those on those subs and elsewhere were told, if they voted him in, there was nothing we could do.

    Personally? If I had my way, I’d take the defenceless, disabled, trans, minority…anyone who really can’t stand and fight, but that’s always been my position with migration…asylum and refugees first. The able bodied and able minded, I’d like to see stay at home and fight for or rebuild something.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    So sanctioning is basically a big government version of a boycott, cutting the us off from money. Like, not buying bonds and whatever, not trading, etc. Asking people to do that isn't the same as asking people to come over and fix the problem, it's asking people to not help the problem.

    You're scorning people who want out, but then saying you'd be fine with minorites, who are most likely the people who are trying to get out. Also those monitors you listed are all the Americans you think so poorly of.

    You can't say "fuckem all you fix it" while saying "well not all.... And I'm fine with my government getting your government fuck over the people I just omitted"

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    It’s not an ask though, is it? It’s an expectation that we do something about it. They didn’t kindly ask me or my PM, they said it’s on us for not doing anything about it.

    That’s criticism and blameshitfting.

    It looks to me as if you think this should be shared out as well.

    Yeah fuckin oath I can say I’m happy to help those who can’t defend themselves and those who are able bodied, stay home. That’s helping those who need it and telling those who can fix their problem to stay and fix it. Absolutely it’s the able bodied ones wanting to run.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    I didn't tell you to do anything. I don't know you.

    But yeah you shouldn't be cowtowing to a dictator and then blaming his victims. You are not going to experience ICE raids.

    I am telling you now, for the first time, because this is the first time we've ever spoken, to stop blaming the victims of fascism for their own oppression. He's a dictator. It doesn't matter how hard we vote.

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