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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (7 children)

The balls to say one of the guys who helped make this situation happen then to say that it's doesn't count. If only you and your government could use those balls to do more than be a diplomatic doormat.

The wealthy elite taking over everything, abusing people, exploiting workers and the planet, these are global problems, not just American ones. A lot of the rich people live and operate outside of the US but it's folly to think their influence is only in the US.

You've bought things from American companies, consumed American media, and poured your own money into their pockets.

Trump is the result of all of this. It's the rich trying to take over our country in earnest, out in front instead of in back rooms.

And I can guarantee you, personally, played a small part in enabling it.

I also know that this conservative wave, because of Trump, has been hitting Europe and Australia. So pretending it's not your problem is also folly.

No one is asking you to fix this for us. People are doing what they can with this takeover to stop it.

But don't pretend you're not in a global market and that the US isn't tied in with Australia, and don't pretend you've not given money to the people backing Trump in your own way.

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[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 1 point 3 months ago (6 children)

who helped

He went there because the ground was fertile, as Musk and Ham did. The sit was there to begin, they just exploited it. They’re Americans through and through.

global problems

This one, electing Trump, then its effects across the world, are American.

you’ve bought things…

Yes, so what? That’s international trade.

Trump is the result of all this

So blaming everything else again. Of course.

I can guarantee

No I didn’t, stop spreading your problem on to others.

the conservative wave, because of Trump

Yeah and we didn’t ask for it. Americans brought it to us. We’ve always had conservatives and wingnuts but not this shit. Worse, we never got a say in that, you just elected it then decided we get it too.

No one is asking you to fix this for us

Yeah, they are. I had someone, might have even been you, yesterday tell me it’s on our PM and others to sanction the US. I constantly see Americans saying that other nations need to step in, do something. Americans everywhere expecting the welcome mat rolled out for running from a vote result. Fuckin oath they’re looking to distribute the responsibility out to others.

but don’t pretend

I’m not ptendng anything, I’m telling you the US caused it by not turning out to vote and that this is a US responsibility to fix. As for money I give that might be out of my control once it’s gone, there isn’t a lot in this globalised world I can do about that.Mor is there a lot I can do to avoid American market economy influence. Which could have helped enable a decent president if you wankers got out and voted.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

And the people who did go out and vote, who are trying to fix it, can fuck themselves too then, right?

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[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

No, they can now start to prepare for a national shutdown and to vote again if they get a chance. Perhaps organise more to vote.

It’s sad for them, but the position is the same…it’s a collective responsibility.

Whatever, it’s theirs to sort out, not ours. We heard for years how this would never happen because of a few reasons including a second amendment we were repeatedly reminded of, that we knew was piss and wind.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

I still don't know where you're seeing anyone saying this isn't American's responsibility to fix, much less anyone saying any country is at fault except maybe Russia.

Believe me, no American thinks Australia is at fault for Trump and definitely don't think you've got the ability to do anything like that.

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[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I had someone two days ago somewhere around here blame our PM for not sanctioning the US. Saw that line quite often in reddit, particularly the politics sub, the StopProject2025 sub had a few of them as well. Same deal; it was our responsibility now to sanction or cut ties with the US because…they held a democratic election and the one they didn’t want was voted in. We tried that explanation as well. That’s just one place, I saw the same things on a couple of the others.

Another beauty I saw on the IWantOut etc subs were Americans urging our countries to accept asylum based on…yeah, what? It was a democratic election.

Those on those subs and elsewhere were told, if they voted him in, there was nothing we could do.

Personally? If I had my way, I’d take the defenceless, disabled, trans, minority…anyone who really can’t stand and fight, but that’s always been my position with migration…asylum and refugees first. The able bodied and able minded, I’d like to see stay at home and fight for or rebuild something.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

So sanctioning is basically a big government version of a boycott, cutting the us off from money. Like, not buying bonds and whatever, not trading, etc. Asking people to do that isn't the same as asking people to come over and fix the problem, it's asking people to not help the problem.

You're scorning people who want out, but then saying you'd be fine with minorites, who are most likely the people who are trying to get out. Also those monitors you listed are all the Americans you think so poorly of.

You can't say "fuckem all you fix it" while saying "well not all.... And I'm fine with my government getting your government fuck over the people I just omitted"

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[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 0 points 3 months ago

It’s not an ask though, is it? It’s an expectation that we do something about it. They didn’t kindly ask me or my PM, they said it’s on us for not doing anything about it.

That’s criticism and blameshitfting.

It looks to me as if you think this should be shared out as well.

Yeah fuckin oath I can say I’m happy to help those who can’t defend themselves and those who are able bodied, stay home. That’s helping those who need it and telling those who can fix their problem to stay and fix it. Absolutely it’s the able bodied ones wanting to run.