Yeah I'm not saying it's all their fault either, and I am just as much of a product of that culture it's inescapable. I would agree with you there, but from the start we have always loved a story about someone coming from nothing, it's a story we have been telling ourselves over and over in this country, and while it happens it requires a great deal of support around you and that is never mentioned by anyone. It has gone way downhill since Reagan I would say, the 80s was just a supercharged consumerism culture here, which pits people against each other because when you have your neighbors competing against each other over who has the biggest house or boat or nicest car or whatever, they are spending spending spending. Lifestyles of the rich and famous, Cribs, celebrity worship, all that junk is to blame too