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A game of cards. (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] 0 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

Its not a little worse. It is a LOT worse. Its not a distraction, its a freaking denial. Its like a late stage alcoholic that figures drinking is fine because it makes them feel a little better.

There are a million things to do that are distractions, this is no excuse. This is like watching your house on fire and helping pour on the petrol, because for a while, that is fun.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    People do that, all the time. At least there’s a significant effect from alcohol, but go to any cancer treatment center and see if the ashtray outside is empty. It’s not.

    But no, I don’t really see how an American who can afford tickets is blowing up their life by doing so. Someone’s life, sure. And that matters a lot, but they probably also buy clothing and shoes, so they’re most likely already benefiting from slavery. There’s no ethical consumption under capitalism.

    That’s not a reason that people should use to just do what they want, but people also don’t deserve abuse for not boycotting the things you boycott (nor will it help convert them)

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Abuse? Lol abuse?

    Really?

    I made my case, I stand by it. All the grift and power gained by these events is just another one on the pile, and if only hurt the individual I wouldn't care.

    No, they do not get a pass for contributing to making everything worse, in a huge way, when they could simply not.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Do you buy clothes from stores? Should I go around commenting under all of your posts that you’re a slaver? That would rightfully be considered abuse.

    Getting frustrations out by complaining that others don’t follow the same boycotts you do doesn’t make you wrong, just ineffective and unpleasant. But why do that? If you don’t start off so angry, you can often talk people around.

    There are thousands of important things for people to pay attention to, not everyone gets every bit of news. First explaining the issue calmly and getting them to talk about it with you will be a much better strategy across the board than just going “so you like slaves, eh?”

    What’s the huge way that $5-10k in FIFA’s pocket makes everything worse? It contributes a very small amount to their bottom line, which is obviously not good, but how efficient does an organization have to be for so little money to go far enough to affect everything? That’s impressive.

    I already stated that it’s not a pass, should we just keep affirming it to each other?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Given that fifa is a non profit, its not the money going to them. It's the contracts, backroom deals, corporate favors, government favors, etc. Look into the whole scheme and its bonkers how far a reach a non profit has, how many billionaires are involved in various ways, governments as well. Its a front to a huge exchange of weath and influence disguised as a charity.

    If you want to complain and call me a slaver because I buy clothes feel free, I don't care. If me and a thousand friends got together to funnel money into a business that did that "for fun" yeah maybe I would deserve it.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    So the guy who bought a ticket to one game, then didn’t enjoy it isn’t the primary villain here?

    Wild, I had no idea you agreed.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    No, the people aren't the villians. The fans aren't the villains, they just support it. If anything they too are the victims.

    It sucks.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    It does suck, that’s why I think we should first reach out with reason instead of accusations. People don’t respond well to accusations and guilt makes people make worse decisions.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, it's true. I wouldn't join a football discussion and just start swaggering around with accusation. It's a comment I made here, because it was a bit more appropriate.

    Since we are talking about it:

    In the US, the world cup was used to get 365 million dollars spent on permanent surveillance and facial recognition devices installed. The four main vendors planned on this all along, using AI and leaving it up. Nobody has disclosed what they are going to do with the data, the fans willingly gave up facial recognition for ID which will continue at major arenas because now it is in place.

    Mexico and Canada are also doing this. The list of upcoming hosts are planning on doing this. They are using the World Cup as a "global showcase" to normalize battlefield-tested surveillance in civilian spaces.

    FIFA is the platform to get global AI surveillance into place, to get contracts to large corporations, and to monitor and build databaes of citizens. The best part? It's almost always the same corporations, how easy it is to go global!

    The amount of waved reviews is staggering. Just roll it out now worry about consequences later.

    The World Cup does not create the surveillance state — but it has become one of the most efficient mechanisms for funding, deploying, legitimizing, and permanently embedding it across the globe, one tournament at a time.

    Does that help explain why I am a little bit irritated about this subject?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That’s great information to have, thank you. I was actually already boycotting fifa, but didn’t realize that’s where the money was going.

    I know it’s exhausting, but leading with something like that instead of an accusation would be way more effective. If you can copy/paste it, or make a post about it somewhere so others can share it as well, it might be easier.

    I’m not trying to put more emotional labor on people who are already drained by the subject, but it’s just the reality of what’s effective for actually changing people’s minds.

    If I want to actually make someone think about changing their eating habits, I can’t just say it’s fucked up to enslave animals, I have to pull up research about, for example, what happens to make chicks at egg laying facilities and read through it to make sure it’s valid, before posting information the other person likely didn’t know that might plant a seed for later. It sucks, I’ve gotten more sensitized to animal cruelty since I went vegan (I know, I know, “they’ll tell you,” but I don’t know what better angle to approach this from), but the other way just alienates people.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Yes, I agree.

    The word Vegan has connotations apparently for people, but hopefully respect for animal life is a good talking point to open the dialog about what you believe in.

    There is a whole lot of benefits for the world if you can get people to even move the needle to a more plant based diet.

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