▲ 259 ▼ Are you ready for what it takes to stop ghost guns? New laws in California and New York might stop anyone from 3D printing guns — and create entirely new kinds of surveillance. (www.theverge.com) submitted 4 months ago by FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works to c/technology@lemmy.world 122 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 135 points 4 months ago (10 children) "might stop anyone from 3D printing guns" I can guarantee you that it won't even do that. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 64 points 4 months ago (2 children) It absolutely won't do that. You know how many millions of early generation Prusa and Ender 3 printers are in the US? Many of these models have no internet connectivity whatsoever and print from SD card. What that means is they will also try to incorporate spyware into your CAD and/or slicer software, which is even more invasive. This is a anti-privacy bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] evadersnack@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 months ago It won’t stop anyone buying or importing innocuous machinery parts like 2020 aluminium extrusions or GT2 belts either. There are mature generic 3D printer designs out there that outperforms RepRap i3 bedslingers. E.g. https://vorondesign.com/voron2.4 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 7 points 4 months ago I don't even understand how they imagine this will work. Most printers are certainly not powerful enough to do real 3d object detection. Even if they forced slicers to include this, just fork OrcaSlicer and take it back out. Actually a lot of printers run open source software as well, so we can just fork klipper of it ever comes to that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iocase@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago (3 children) It's like making a normal printer that's mandated by the government to never print dicks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children) I mean normal printers will not let you print money. That's what gave these idiots the idea to begin with I'd wager. But there are orders of magnitude in difference in difficulty between making a piece of software capable of autonomously recognizing a few existing designs of dollar bills and one that can tell a working gun part that can take a shape that can vary almost infinitely from other objects that can also take nearly infinite shapes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 15 points 4 months ago They don't recognize bills. They recognize a pattern of tiny yellow rings in the bills, the Eurion constellation, which can barely be seen by the eye. This supposedly will stop copiers and printers from scanning or printing any document that has these. Bypassing these is trivial. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 42firehawk@fedinsfw.app 9 points 4 months ago It's not even a few existing designs... There is an exact pattern called the eurion constellation that all printers block. Then the process for printing each countries currency just involves placing a eurion constellation and you get the protection. Its a single pattern that is very rigidly defined, to the point that many counterfeit bills that pass inspection shift one mark off by about a millimeter to get it printed. Granted having worked at a bank when I found out was that the bill didn't have the off color threads as well, but it almost was approved despite getting a close inspection. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) It absolutely will not stop some people. But those are not the ones committing gun crimes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 4 months ago says who? much like fi the children this has nothing to do with guns permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, it won't. I suppose they don't care because the purpose of the laws is not to prevent the printing of guns, that's only the justification. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 64 points 4 months ago (2 children) It absolutely won't do that. You know how many millions of early generation Prusa and Ender 3 printers are in the US? Many of these models have no internet connectivity whatsoever and print from SD card. What that means is they will also try to incorporate spyware into your CAD and/or slicer software, which is even more invasive. This is a anti-privacy bill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] evadersnack@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 months ago It won’t stop anyone buying or importing innocuous machinery parts like 2020 aluminium extrusions or GT2 belts either. There are mature generic 3D printer designs out there that outperforms RepRap i3 bedslingers. E.g. https://vorondesign.com/voron2.4 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 7 points 4 months ago I don't even understand how they imagine this will work. Most printers are certainly not powerful enough to do real 3d object detection. Even if they forced slicers to include this, just fork OrcaSlicer and take it back out. Actually a lot of printers run open source software as well, so we can just fork klipper of it ever comes to that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] evadersnack@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 months ago It won’t stop anyone buying or importing innocuous machinery parts like 2020 aluminium extrusions or GT2 belts either. There are mature generic 3D printer designs out there that outperforms RepRap i3 bedslingers. E.g. https://vorondesign.com/voron2.4 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghoelian@piefed.social 7 points 4 months ago I don't even understand how they imagine this will work. Most printers are certainly not powerful enough to do real 3d object detection. Even if they forced slicers to include this, just fork OrcaSlicer and take it back out. Actually a lot of printers run open source software as well, so we can just fork klipper of it ever comes to that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 months ago (3 children) It's like making a normal printer that's mandated by the government to never print dicks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children) I mean normal printers will not let you print money. That's what gave these idiots the idea to begin with I'd wager. But there are orders of magnitude in difference in difficulty between making a piece of software capable of autonomously recognizing a few existing designs of dollar bills and one that can tell a working gun part that can take a shape that can vary almost infinitely from other objects that can also take nearly infinite shapes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 15 points 4 months ago They don't recognize bills. They recognize a pattern of tiny yellow rings in the bills, the Eurion constellation, which can barely be seen by the eye. This supposedly will stop copiers and printers from scanning or printing any document that has these. Bypassing these is trivial. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 42firehawk@fedinsfw.app 9 points 4 months ago It's not even a few existing designs... There is an exact pattern called the eurion constellation that all printers block. Then the process for printing each countries currency just involves placing a eurion constellation and you get the protection. Its a single pattern that is very rigidly defined, to the point that many counterfeit bills that pass inspection shift one mark off by about a millimeter to get it printed. Granted having worked at a bank when I found out was that the bill didn't have the off color threads as well, but it almost was approved despite getting a close inspection. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children) I mean normal printers will not let you print money. That's what gave these idiots the idea to begin with I'd wager. But there are orders of magnitude in difference in difficulty between making a piece of software capable of autonomously recognizing a few existing designs of dollar bills and one that can tell a working gun part that can take a shape that can vary almost infinitely from other objects that can also take nearly infinite shapes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 15 points 4 months ago They don't recognize bills. They recognize a pattern of tiny yellow rings in the bills, the Eurion constellation, which can barely be seen by the eye. This supposedly will stop copiers and printers from scanning or printing any document that has these. Bypassing these is trivial. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 42firehawk@fedinsfw.app 9 points 4 months ago It's not even a few existing designs... There is an exact pattern called the eurion constellation that all printers block. Then the process for printing each countries currency just involves placing a eurion constellation and you get the protection. Its a single pattern that is very rigidly defined, to the point that many counterfeit bills that pass inspection shift one mark off by about a millimeter to get it printed. Granted having worked at a bank when I found out was that the bill didn't have the off color threads as well, but it almost was approved despite getting a close inspection. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 15 points 4 months ago They don't recognize bills. They recognize a pattern of tiny yellow rings in the bills, the Eurion constellation, which can barely be seen by the eye. This supposedly will stop copiers and printers from scanning or printing any document that has these. Bypassing these is trivial. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 42firehawk@fedinsfw.app 9 points 4 months ago It's not even a few existing designs... There is an exact pattern called the eurion constellation that all printers block. Then the process for printing each countries currency just involves placing a eurion constellation and you get the protection. Its a single pattern that is very rigidly defined, to the point that many counterfeit bills that pass inspection shift one mark off by about a millimeter to get it printed. Granted having worked at a bank when I found out was that the bill didn't have the off color threads as well, but it almost was approved despite getting a close inspection. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child) It absolutely will not stop some people. But those are not the ones committing gun crimes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 4 months ago says who? much like fi the children this has nothing to do with guns permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 1 point 4 months ago says who? much like fi the children this has nothing to do with guns permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, it won't. I suppose they don't care because the purpose of the laws is not to prevent the printing of guns, that's only the justification. permalink fedilink source parent