▲ 224 ▼ [Video] NATO-backed Zionist throws a stun grenade into a car carrying a Palestinian family and traps them inside to absorb the blast. (i.imgur.com) submitted 4 months ago by IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to c/crazyfuckingvideos@lemmy.world 134 comments fedilink hide all child comments alternative video upload: https://streamable.com/e/4y0zka
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (53 children) False equivalence, but yes. Because nato isn't the sole reason Israel is able to commit genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (35 children) No, its just because i know Israel support isn't just in a vacuum. There is a lot that makes that war machine tick. Including other countries that dont embargo them, like Russia and China. There is nuance you are either ignorant of, or being ignored on purpose, to push an agenda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 4 months ago (34 children) What rifle is the IDF soldier holding in the video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (33 children) What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia. That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (22 children) China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 4 months ago (15 children) Nato is the major reason why isrsel is sble to commit genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (14 children) No. Many western countries are the reason, not nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (13 children) The strongest western military countries are members of Nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (12 children) Yes, and correlation does not equal causation. Turkiye is part of nato, last i recall they aren't buddy buddy with Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Turkiye never proptected palestinians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (53 children) False equivalence, but yes. Because nato isn't the sole reason Israel is able to commit genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (35 children) No, its just because i know Israel support isn't just in a vacuum. There is a lot that makes that war machine tick. Including other countries that dont embargo them, like Russia and China. There is nuance you are either ignorant of, or being ignored on purpose, to push an agenda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 4 months ago (34 children) What rifle is the IDF soldier holding in the video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (33 children) What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia. That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (22 children) China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 4 months ago (15 children) Nato is the major reason why isrsel is sble to commit genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (14 children) No. Many western countries are the reason, not nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (13 children) The strongest western military countries are members of Nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (12 children) Yes, and correlation does not equal causation. Turkiye is part of nato, last i recall they aren't buddy buddy with Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Turkiye never proptected palestinians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (35 children) No, its just because i know Israel support isn't just in a vacuum. There is a lot that makes that war machine tick. Including other countries that dont embargo them, like Russia and China. There is nuance you are either ignorant of, or being ignored on purpose, to push an agenda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 4 months ago (34 children) What rifle is the IDF soldier holding in the video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (33 children) What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia. That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (22 children) China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (35 children) No, its just because i know Israel support isn't just in a vacuum. There is a lot that makes that war machine tick. Including other countries that dont embargo them, like Russia and China. There is nuance you are either ignorant of, or being ignored on purpose, to push an agenda permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 35 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 4 months ago (34 children) What rifle is the IDF soldier holding in the video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (33 children) What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia. That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (22 children) China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] -3 points 4 months ago (34 children) What rifle is the IDF soldier holding in the video? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (33 children) What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia. That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (22 children) China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (33 children) What food is the soldier eating? Israel imports a lot of food from russia. What building does the soldier sleep in? Israel imports a lot of metal from russia. That's the problem with your argument. Yes, I agree, a lot of nato countries are enabling the genocide, but to state it as if nato is orchestrating it, is disingenuous. Individual countries who happen to be part of nato are enabling the genocide, but many countries who aren't a part of nato are also contributing to the genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (22 children) China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (22 children) China and russia support for isrsel is fisgusting too but the majority of support allowing israel to commit grnocides comes from the west permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (21 children) Yup, no arguments there. But to solely blame a handful of countries is disingenuous permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (20 children) Funny coming from a person minimizing the west involvement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (19 children) Literally im not? Point to me where I said the west isn't enabling this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (18 children) Nato is made of the strongest western militaries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (17 children) Yes? And more kids drown in pools when nick cage stars in a movie. Correlation does not equal causation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (16 children) Nato and israel cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (15 children) Kay? Russia Israeli cooperation is not a secret. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (14 children) Just because i participated in ml community you think I am pro Russia? Yes Russia and Israeli cooperation is not a secret and it is disgusting and Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (13 children) I never said you were lol. Funny you took offense to that. See how i didn't say "BRICS" is supporting the Israel genocide, you understand how there is a distinction to be had between organizations and their participants? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (12 children) Don't insult my intelligence you know very well that you alluded that i am pro russia. Nato the organization collaborate with israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (11 children) I'm not insulting your intelligence, I saw early you agreed that russia supporting Israel is bad. Some nato countries are providing weapons yes, no argument here. Nato the organization isn't. That's the only distinction that I am making. And you and industry keep doubling down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (10 children) Nato the organization is cooperating militarly with the terrorist state of israel . https://www.nato.int/en/news-and-events/articles/news/2001/04/24/israel-signs-security-agreement-with-nato https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/watch-israeli-navy-trains-with-nato-in-the-mediterranean-607318 https://embassies.gov.il/nato/en/the-mission/bilateral-relations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) We have established that, Israel and nato have worked together, as have many other countries. NATO isn't supplying weapons to Israel some nato countries are. If you want to go that way, just say the entirety of the UN is supporting the genocide, is that better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (8 children) Your comment ignore that the whole military cooperation's and armament are based on Nato frameworks . Supplying weapons is not the only way to back a country either. What we established before show that Nato is backing Israel with military training, intels and "security" arrangement with the biggest aggressor in the region permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Weapons is not the only way to back a country either Yes! I know I've been saying that all along finally glad to have you on the same page! Just because nato countries use logistics that nato uses doesn't mean that NATO is responsible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (6 children) Didn't you have a problem with the term nato backed zionists? I already show you that military and defense cooperation with Israel happened under the umbrella of the NATO organization making nato the organization a backer of the zionist state of israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (5 children) Yes I have issue with thr framing Industry standard presented, because it is disingenuous. They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel. Which it is not. Saying shared training and exercises is "backing" is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. Also, putting the "entire" onus on nato is also just as ridiculous, as you were so kind to point out that support doesn't just have to be weapons! So, many countries support the genocide. It's not "nato" only, which is the russian bias industry standard is going for. Why not say UN supports the genocide? Nato countries are part of the UN, the un uses nato logistics and equipment. If you see why that is a spurious argument, then you know why it's just as incorrect to say "nato". Say something like "most western countries continue to support the ongoing, Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children) They imply that nato is arming and equipping Israel Yes industry standard oppose NATO because of russia but didn't mention the form of backing So, many countries support the genocide. It’s not “nato” only But this post is about nato and israel not russia . You are simply, doing whataboutism. Now if there is an article about china supporting Palestinians mentioning it's good relation with Israel it is fair because it is iexposing hypocrisy rather than whataboutism Why not say UN supports the genocide? Because the Un is multiple entities with different functions none support Israel while nato is a military alliance . Where did the UN approve genocide and israeli military actions? Saying shared training and exercises is “backing” is just as silly as people getting upset that China was doing military excericises with Russia. No it is not silly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) You are so so close. Genuinely close. It's hard to see you circling around the answer here. Anyway, look. We both agree that Israel is committing genocide. Let's leave it there, I wish you all the best. Have a great life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Pure projection. It is you who circle around answers using whataboutism . You recognize the genocide yet you minimize nato roles despite all the evidences I provided permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Jfc. Tried to end it somewhat nicely instead you double down. Bye permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago I will never stop mentionning how nato is backing israel no matter how much you deflect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (9 children) Is Russia giving Israel free McDonalds? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (8 children) Is russia embargoing Israel? Like every country needs to embargo Israel. That's my point. Why this race to the bottom with you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (7 children) Is every country not embargoing the Houthis "backing them"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (6 children) Are they trading with the country "Houthis"? Wait, no because its not a country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (4 children) Oh shit, does Rashad know that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Of course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right, so the houthis aren't recognized as the official representatives of Yemen. Thanks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) You mean Israel is not recognised as the official representatives of Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago No, of course they aren't... anyway look im happy to drop this stupid comment chain. Have a great day permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 4 months ago (15 children) Nato is the major reason why isrsel is sble to commit genocide permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (14 children) No. Many western countries are the reason, not nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (13 children) The strongest western military countries are members of Nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (12 children) Yes, and correlation does not equal causation. Turkiye is part of nato, last i recall they aren't buddy buddy with Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Turkiye never proptected palestinians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (14 children) No. Many western countries are the reason, not nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (13 children) The strongest western military countries are members of Nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (12 children) Yes, and correlation does not equal causation. Turkiye is part of nato, last i recall they aren't buddy buddy with Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Turkiye never proptected palestinians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (13 children) The strongest western military countries are members of Nato permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (12 children) Yes, and correlation does not equal causation. Turkiye is part of nato, last i recall they aren't buddy buddy with Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Turkiye never proptected palestinians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (12 children) Yes, and correlation does not equal causation. Turkiye is part of nato, last i recall they aren't buddy buddy with Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Turkiye never proptected palestinians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Right so the us is doing this. Gotcha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago Like a brick wall. OK I'm done talking in circles. Have a great life permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago (7 children) Turkiye never proptected palestinians permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (6 children) Backing Hamas, and stopping trade with Israel isn't helping Palestinians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 months ago* (5 children) Hamas weapons comes for Iran not Turkiye. It did not stop trading with israel either . They just make it less obvious with loopholes https://www.turkishminute.com/2026/01/30/israel-imported-924-mln-in-goods-from-turkey-in-2025/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (4 children) Kay? And Turkiye, on the international stage is also voicing support for Palestine, and mostly cancelled trade with israel (thank you for your source)and called it a genocide a while ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) Also false. Turkey is trading with Israel like normal under a simple export rebrand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) Fine, let's say they are trading as per normal to make you happy. Then, your argument is trading with Israel, yes so many countries are. They are all guilty of supporting the genocide. BRICS is supporting the genocide. Make sure you say NATO/BRICS backed zionists on your next biased headline ok? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) China has banned export of their drones to Israel because Israel is using them to commit genocide. Meanwhile Turkey is selling 27.000 bombs to Israel Only India is selling weapons to Israel but certainly not for free. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I decided instead of continuing this useless circular conversation to instead, wish you a good day. All the best to you permalink fedilink source parent